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The Fact-Checker: Truth in Politics


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The Washington Post has the right idea.

They will put all the candidates for 2008 Presidential Election through their "Fact-Checker" system, Republican and Democrat alike.

It's something we might think of doing in Eden Prairie for the 2008 election.

They Washington Post created "The Fact-Checker" at
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/?hpid=topnews

The current candidate under scrutiny for legit/non-legit?? tax-cuts is the GOP Presidential contender Mike Huckabee.

Evidently out of 91 cuts from 1995 to 2005, there were 21 tax increases which off-set those cuts.

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The Washington Post gave Huckabee what they term "The Pinocchio Test"

"Huckabee often talks about the "nearly 100 tax cuts" that he helped to implement in Arkansas, however trivial. He conveniently forgets about the tax hikes, or uses euphemisms to disguise them. Asked about a tax on nursing home beds by Chris Wallace of Fox News, he said it was not a tax. It was a "quality assurance fee."

Huckabee got two Pinocchios for exaggeration. (pretty lenient.)
(Two pictures of Pinocchio inserted)

Here's the link for their rating scale.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/09/about_the_fact_check...




I wonder how many...

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I wonder how many "pinocchios" they'd have given Phil Young when he claimed that although he was endorsed by the Republicans, they weren't helping him raise money or recruit volunteers?

The reason I ask this, is that Phil told this whopper to the StarTribune even though the Republicans had a link on their homepage taking surfers to a website that raised money and recruited volunteers to defeat his opponent.

I guess how many "pinocchios" one awards Phil, depends on what Phil thinks the definition of "help" is...


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 3, 2008 - 9:05am.

Tommy, you missed the point...

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Tommy, you missed the point of the Strib article, as i explained in response to your other post and last year when you first began making this accusation. As an endorsed candidate I would gladly have accepted campaign help--either financial or volunteers--from the local party. What i expressed to the reporter was the reality that local elections are not a priority to political parties and thus really don't get either.

PHil.


Submitted by phil on January 3, 2008 - 5:41pm.

Phil, as I've explained over...

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Phil, as I've explained over and over, but you refuse to admit, you were factually incorrect.

The title of that story was: "Does party backing taint city elections?"

The last line of the story reads, and I quote: “While the party has endorsed Young, he said the party would not be helping him recruit volunteers or raise money for his campaign.”

You seem to be spinning here, Phil - why do you find it so hard to simply admit you were factually incorrect?

Perhaps, as you are so well versed in parsing words, you might reply with a different word or phrase for "factually incorrect"?


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 3, 2008 - 5:58pm.

Here's the best I can find,...

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Here's the best I can find, so far:

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See more articles from Star Tribune (Minneapolis, MN)

Does party backing taint city elections? Some aren't pleased that the Republican Party has gotten involved by endorsing candidates in mayor and city council races.(WEST)

From:
Star Tribune (Minneapolis, MN)
Date:
July 26, 2006
Author:
Steverman, Ben
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Eden Prairie City Council 2006 | Copyright information COPYRIGHT 2006 Star Tribune Co. This material is published under license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills, Michigan. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the Gale Group.

Byline: Ben Steverman; Staff Writer

With Eden Prairie facing a heated mayoral campaign, the city's current mayor is strongly criticizing the local Republican Party's decision to get involved in what are usually nonpartisan city elections.

Mayor Nancy Tyra-Lukens, who is not running for reelection, called the party's endorsement of one of the contenders "asinine, irresponsible and insulting."

Though parties often get involved in elections in the big cities, they usually stay clear of smaller local races.

"I hate to see it trickle down to the smaller cities," said Karen Anderson, a Republican and former mayor of Minnetonka who fought for years to keep party ...

Read all of this article with a FREE trial
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-148681231.html
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Now, I'm not taking that "free" trial offer just to get the whole story. Suffice it to say that IMNSHO, Phil is spinning the intent of the story.

No surprise there.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 4, 2008 - 1:28pm.

The Fact Checker: Truth in...

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The Fact Checker: Truth in Politics

Romney and Abortion

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/09/romney_and_abortion....

A Boston Globe columnist called Romney "dishonest" about abortion.

"The "pro-choice" candidate for senator, and later governor, of Massachusetts is now the "pro-life" candidate for president of the United States. His record as governor is controversial, however. Interviewed by Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" last Sunday, Romney claimed that he took a "pro-life" position on "every piece of legislation" that came before him. But that is untrue, at least by his present definition of what constitutes "life."

"UPDATE THURSDAY 11:30 A.M.: I just spoke with Nichols Gamble, the Planned Parenthood official who accepted the $150 cheque from the Romneys in June 1994. She says she had no reason to believe at the time that Romney was "not 100 percent behind the pro-choice public policy position." She now thinks that Romney "tried to have it both ways and every way to Sunday" on abortion, depending on what political office he was seeking."

Romney got three Pinocchios on abortion. Another lenient take for a guy who has literally flip-flopped his entire public career.


Submitted by vamma on January 3, 2008 - 1:56pm.

Does the fact checker say...

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Does the fact checker say anything about Vamma's bias towards Republicans?


Submitted by Gino G on January 5, 2008 - 12:10am.

Here's another, from Phil -...

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Here's another, from Phil - taken from yesterday's print edition of the Eden Prairie News:

Question, from the Eden Prairie News:"What was/has been the most difficult challenge for the city in 2007?"

Answer, from Phil: "The political balance of the council has shifted from left of center to right of center."

Excuse me? Is Phil really trying to claim that Nancy Tyra Lukens, whom I believe is a Republican, and Ron Case, whom I KNOW is a Republican, are "left of center"??!?

Answer, from Phil, continued: "Some threatened by this shift have been unfair and somewhat misleading (emphasis added) in their attacks on the new council. This has been an unfortunate distraction."

Hey - if there's ANYBODY that should know misleading, it's PHIL YOUNG. In My NOT So Humble Opinion (IMNSHO), had Phil and Jon NOT run a misleading campaign, they would NOT have been elected.

And as far as who the "some threatened" are, what Phil really means is:

- Seniors
- those favoring historic preservation
- those supportive of parks
- those supportive of those less fortunate
- those that LIKE liquor store profits offsetting taxes
- those that USED to have their sidewalks shoveled
- those that WANT to ESCROW for future capital infrastucture replacement
- etc

In short, if there is a constituency Phil and Brad and Jon have NOT "threatened", I'd like to know about it. Furthermore, since when is an informed citizenry petitioning government about it's concerns, a "DISTRACTION??!?

IMNSHO, Phil has earned a WHOLE BUNCH of "pinnochios" for this blather.

The next question asked by the Eden Prairie News, is:

"What is your resolution for the new year?"

Here's Phil's answer:

"The transition to mayor proved harder than I expected. There are many things to improve upon."

Say, Phil? Try improving on the accuracy of your communications - it might help improve your credibility with the afore mentioned constituencies.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 4, 2008 - 12:07pm.

Interesting Tommy. How do...

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Interesting Tommy. How do you KNOW if someone is a Republican or Democrat? Because they tell you?

My experience with Ron Case is that he started cozying up to the local Republican party when he perceived it was to his advantage to do so. He attended caucuses, he attended the convention, he voted to endorse Brad Aho for City Council (and even agreed to personally endorse him on our website).

Eventually Case approached the Republican chairman wondering if we could give him the endorsement. The answer Case received was that we could not endorse him unless he started acting more fiscally responsible.

Eventually the Republicans endorsed Phil Young for Mayor.

Case and Tyra-Lukens, meanwhile, complained to the papers, trashing the party, stating their new position that political parties had no business endorsing in local elections.

Letters from Case’s supporters continued to trash Phil, warning that his election would mean streets would not be plowed, the police department would be decimated, and houses would be left to burn. Talk about lies!

Unable to scare people into submission, Case then tried to play up Eden Prairie’s "Top Ten City" award, insinuating that he and he alone was responsible for the honor.

Phil is correct, by the way, other than linking to Phil's website and giving him a token monetary contribution, the local party shamefully did very little to help our endorsed candidates in the local races.

Case has badmouth Republicans, has never lifted a finger (as far as I know) to actually help Republicans get elected - no help phone calling, literature drops, he has not done anything that I know of. So his Republican credentials, for a (former) elected official, seem pretty thin to me.

Finally, even when someone SAYS they belong to a particular party, it doesn't mean that the party has to welcome them with open arms. I give you the example of Senator Joseph Lieberman. Only a couple years ago, he represented your party as the Vice Presidential nominee. But in 2006, the Democrats had moved so far to the Left that he wasn't good enough any more. Many Dems started calling him names, called him "LieberBush" and even made antisemitic remarks. Suddenly, to many Dems, Lieberman was no longer one of them.

The lesson with Case and Tyra-Lukens and even Lieberman is simply this: Issues matter. If you are going to sound like the other party and vote with the other party, don't expect the party to automatically go along with you. Case and Tyra-Lukens are not fiscal conservatives and that is why the party endorsed Phil over Ron.


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 4, 2008 - 2:01pm.

Thank you for proving, once...

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Thank you for proving, once again, what a small-minded and intolerant group the GOP's LEADERSHIP is.

It's republiCon LEADERSHIP, like you, that caused this editorial cartoon to be published a couple of years ago:

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2006/04/17/tomo/index1.html

That's a mighty small tent you republiCons LEADERS own, Peter.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 4, 2008 - 7:07pm.

The name calling continues...

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The name calling continues to make you look childish. Why are you unable to discuss an issue in a civilized way without calling people RepubliCons or referring to the President by derisive names?

I mean are you afflicted with a DFL version of Tourette's Syndrome? It reminds me of a friend I once had in high school -- he could not get a complete sentence out of his mouth without swearing. It was always F this and S that. It got old -- fast.

So -- I don't know how you expect anyone to have an intelligent conversation with you if you can't communicate civilly and respectfully.

Second, the EP News website says that comments need to adhere to something called "community standards". I will direct my appeal to Karla and Leah on this one: is this sort of derisive language coming from our good potty mouth Tommy what you had in mind when you wrote that participants need to abide by this standard?

I support limited government, not socialism. I don't want government to go away -- that's ridiculous. But taxes are growing faster than inflation and faster than wages and I think that fact has a direct (and negative) impact on our quality of life, our freedom, and our opportunities. Tommy, you want government to grow - we just disagree. Is that okay with you?

Why can't we discuss this in a civilized way -- why the name calling? I don't get it. Am I supposed to reciprocate? Am I supposed to start calling you a DummyCrat or tell you that DFL stands for Dumb Flippin Liberal? Is that the level of discussion that you think our community deserves?

Karla or Leah - what do you think?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 5, 2008 - 2:58am.

Peter, you're a...

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Peter, you're a hypocrite.

You routinely call people "leftists" and "socialists".

For FOUR YEARS your party has called me a traitor.

When I announced for congress, YOUR PARTY started a rumor I'm an alcoholic.

Last year, the Sun newspaper published a letter in which I accused YOUR PARTY of practicing DIRTY POLITICS because YOUR PARTY party was practicing DIRTY POLITICS.

In a different thread on this site, YOU said I had "issues" and worse.

But NOW you're complaining about "name calling?"

You better pull that log out of your eye, Peter.

You - of course - are the epitome of why GOP now stands for GreedOverPrinciples.

And like a bully, you complain when what you do, is done to you.

Cry me a river, Peter.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 5, 2008 - 9:01am.

Here are five questions for...

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Here are five questions for you Tommy:

(1) This is the second time you have asserted that the term "socialist" is a derogatory term. What exactly do you understand the word "socialist" to mean?

(2) How does YOUR personal philosophy differ from the socialist philosophy?

(3) What do deep scars and emotional injuries you have suffered in places OUTSIDE of the realm of this newspaper have to do with anyone here?

(4) The purpose of the EP News comments is to facilitate civil discussion between people with differing viewpoints. Why do you oppose that? Why have you taken it upon yourself to go to a small community newspaper and shut down free debate with your insults, harassment and attitude? What is it about the free exchange of ideas that threatens you?

(5) What kind of job do you have that you have time to go on so many websites and leave such ugly comments? Here you call people who don't agree with you "bootlickers". There are websites where you call the President "shrub boy" and "boy blunder". Republicans are "Republicons" and even "RePUKElicons". Rush Limbaugh -- whom you seem to obsess over -- is "Drug Limpstick". Here you make time for a little good old-fashioned gay bashing. There are literally thousands of posts out there. From you. Question: How you find so much time for all this anger and stupidity?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 6, 2008 - 3:26am.

Say, Peter? Get your facts...

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Say, Peter? Get your facts straight.

Your post contains too many inaccuracies to rebut.

Additionally, if there's ANY website that contains "ugly comments", it's the SD42republiCon website. Your hypocrisy is blatant, Peter. Which, of course, only goes to prove, once again, why GOP now stands for GreedOverPrinciples.

Furthermore, it seems you're doin' some digging about me. AGAIN. Are you going to start the rumor I'm an alocholic again? That I beat my wife? There is no level your party's leadership won't sink to, Peter. How low will you go?

That said, the topic of this thread was whoppers, which is why Phil's name was brought up.

I know it's uncomfortable for a GOPer like Phil to be compared to Clinton:

"Well, I guess that depends on what your definition of HELP is...."

And Phil's claim that the old city council comprised of 5 republicans was "left of center" but the new city council comprised of 4 republicans and 1 democrat is now "right of center is laughable.

It's also predictable.

What seems to have gotten your panties in a wad, Peter, is the realization that if the election were held tomorrow, Phil, Jon and Brad couldn't be elected dog catcher.

That's what happens when voters no longer trust a candidate, Peter.

And as a GOPer party official, you're doin' a heck of a job, Peter....


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 6, 2008 - 8:57am.

(1) What is a...

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(1) What is a socialist?

Tommy's response: Punt!

(2) In what way are you not a socialist?

Tommy response: Punt!

(3) What do items OUTSIDE of the realm of this newspaper have to do with anything?

Tommy's response is to bring up more items OUTSIDE of the realm of this newspaper

(4) Why do you oppose free and open exchange of ideas?

Tommy's response: Punt!

(5) How do you have so much time for so much anger and stupidity?

Tommy's response: Punt!


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 6, 2008 - 11:58am.

Let's try to stick to issues...

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Let's try to stick to issues and keep the personal attacks and off-topic comments to a minimum. There are plenty of things to discuss and you can start a new thread to address a new topic.
One of the ideas behind the site is to try to encourage more people to participate by discussing issues "in a way that makes everyone comfortable."
I don't think that's what's happening here.

(Karla Wennerstrom is the editor of the Eden Prairie News. She can be reached at editor@edenprairienews.com.)


Submitted by Karla on January 6, 2008 - 12:16pm.

Happy New Year to All!!...

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Happy New Year to All!!

And a just a note-- Joseph Lieberman is not a member of the Democratic Party-- he ran and serves as an Independent. He also endorsed a republican for the upcoming presidential elections...people do change their affiliation from time to time. (do you like Mitt or Norm?) And the name Jeffords comes to mind.....you republicans were real nice to him!

Thought this was an interesting posting, so I decided to do some homework and add to the discussion. Went to the Campaign Finance Board and downloaded the SD42 GOP filings for the last election cycle. Wanted to see for myself how the local GOP spent their money.

In 2006, they gave $1000 to Bill Cullen, $1400 to David Hann with same to Erik Paulsen, $300 to Duckstad, $300 to Stevens and $300 to Young.

In July of 2006 they spent $3500 for office space, and another $1000 in August.

They spent $3550 for what I assume was a generated letter and group lit drop.

In 2005, they gave Duckstad $200, rented Grace for $400 and spent $300 for lapel pins and another $200 for election night entertainment.

The 2007 figures are not due yet, so we don't know how they spent their money last year.

The SD42 DFL did NOT endorse candidates in local elections, and so no money was given to any candidates for local elections. DFL individuals offered time lit dropping or phoning for candidates on their own and not under the umbrella of the party organization.

We also saw the development of the first ever PAC in our little city-- the Taxpayer's Alliance. This group spent approximately $2.56 a VOTE on the campaigns of Duckstad, Young and Stevens, to a total of about $14,000. (found this out at city hall) It is interesting that the members of this group all seem to be members of the SD42 GOP.

So, by saying that little was spent by SD 42 GOP on local elections is technically true, but in reality, the republicans in this city spent a huge sum of money to change our city council to their liking.

And all so they could save less than $11 a year, and get rid of one immigrant woman of color....


Submitted by munchkinmom on January 4, 2008 - 8:52pm.

Fact checker for MM: It is...

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Fact checker for MM:

It is interesting that the members of this group all seem to be members of the SD42 GOP.

Can you name me even one person who is both a member of the SD42 Republicans AND a member of the (now defunct) Eden Prairie Taxpayer's Alliance? No, you cannot.

Personally, I have the highest regard for the EPTA, and I wish they would get involved with the SD42 Republicans -- we need them. But the statement you have made here is, unfortunately, false.

Lieberman serves as an Independent

He ran as an independent because his party endorsed someone that was hand-picked by George Soros and the radical group MoveOn.Org. He insists, however, that he is still a Democrat and, in the U.S. Senate, he continues to caucus with the Dems. In interviews and in articles, he maintains that it is his party that has the problem, not him.

All so they could get rid of one immigrant woman of color

I already addressed this several times and you have not answered my challenges to your ugly statements.

(1) The city council does not make hiring/firing decisions. The only person they can fire is the city manager. The city council made a decision about service levels. At no point in their discussion did anyone say: "We need to fire such and so". That isn't their call.

(2) It was the city manager who first proposed that the position would be eliminated. You still have not answered: Are you calling the city manager a racist?

(3) In the end, over 75% of the proposed cuts were restored by the City Council (too much, in my opinion). Was it racist to restore the cuts?

(4) If no other city in Minnesota provides such a position, are they racist as well?

(5) If you had a choice between two individuals and there was one job, would you choose based on transferrable skills (ie. city planning) or would you make your choice based solely on color? If the answer is color, then doesn't that make you the racist?

(6) Last but not least, if you are so sure that your slimy accusations are supportable, why have you not sued the city? Go for it. What are you waiting for?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 5, 2008 - 2:29am.

Peter, you...

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Peter, you posted:

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Personally, I have the highest regard for the EPTA, and I wish they would get involved with the SD42 Republicans -- we need them.
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I'm sure you really, Really, REALLY believe that - after all, their ring leader, Tom Briant, recently went to Open Forum and told a really, Really, REALLY big whopper.

Only a republiCon would embrace a guy that brazenly stands up in public and tells a whopper like that.

Which, of course, means Briant is your kind of guy.

Which, of course, is another reason why GOP now stands for GreedOverPrinciples.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 5, 2008 - 8:43am.

They spent the money because...

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They spent the money because they listened to their constituents. 3 puttommy, quoting the Red Star (Star Tribune) was quite a good laugh.


Submitted by Gino G on January 5, 2008 - 12:05am.

Gino - if you're going to...

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Gino - if you're going to try to insult me, you'll have to do better than that.

Do try to keep up.

(sign me)Here To Help,

the ol' TwoPutter


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 5, 2008 - 8:47am.

The Fact Checker: Truth in...

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The Fact Checker: Truth in Politics

Here below is a prophetic quote taken from a local Eden Prairie blog. It refers to people who believe in a free-market system and no government interference who fought the smoking ban on a local and state level, during the 2002 and 2004 election cycles. They helped defeat a strong Eden Prairie smoking ban and attempted to stop bans in other cities and on a state basis. It also refers to a final wave of resistance locally that was more murky, "devious fringe elements" at work posioning the political atmosphere here in Eden Prairie. None of these people are named; who could these people be?

The next wave of resistance, however, will be more formidable. This wave is populated by people who do not want the government to further suspend their personal liberty. Many of them are non-smokers. They want the market to sort out where people can smoke and where they can’t. They believe that free market forces will ultimately be more successful in resolving this issue than government intervention. These folks are strong and they are well organized. They vote. They were effective advocates for their cause in Eden Prairie in 2002, which was an election year, and I believe they will be effective in Minneapolis and St. Paul in 2004, also an election year.

The final wave of resistance to the smoking ban in Eden Prairie, and I’m sure is working feverishly in Minneapolis and St. Paul, is more murky. There are fringe elements out there in this debate that are quite devious. I used to get e-mails and letters from them on a weekly basis during Eden Prairie’s consideration of this issue. They will investigate the personal lives of elected officials in Minneapolis and St. Paul, and attempt to exploit any perceived political vulnerabilities with a vengeance. I think that we are still feeling some of the after effects of these folks in Eden Prairie. They poisoned our political atmosphere to get what they wanted, and I’m quite sure they don’t care. They pursue victory at any cost."

Could these same people have been at work supporting their less government, free market idealogies in the last election cycle?


Submitted by vamma on January 5, 2008 - 10:53am.

Does the fact checker...

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Does the fact checker say
Submitted by Gino G on January 4, 2008 - 11:10pm.
Does the fact checker say anything about Vamma's bias towards Republicans?

National DFL candidates will be added to the list. We're concentrating on the big issue discrepancies in what is said and what is actually done. Tax cuts and abortion are big issues for Republicans.

There are 111 entries listed at Fact Checker and we're not going to list them all.

The next entry will be Edwards on special interests, a January 2008 entry.

Watch for it....


Submitted by vamma on January 5, 2008 - 11:18am.

The Fact-Checker: Truth in...

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The Fact-Checker: Truth in Politics

Here’s how Eden Prairie’s Fact-Checker is going to work:

When we can we’re going to try to draw parallels between our national candidates and local politics. Leading up to election 2008, we will have our own Fact-Checker Election before our local election based on the facts we find. We will not endorse a candidate. We will rate local candidates' truthfulness with an Eagle’s Nest and untruthfulness with a Red Stop Light.

Edwards and Special Interests

Edwards the candidate against special interests was issued a Hypocrisy alert by Fact-Checker.

They’ve called into question a group called Alliance for New America, an independent advocacy group, known as a 527, after the item in the IRS code under which it operates. Under Federal Election Commission rules, it can raise and spend virtually unlimited sums of money promoting political issues, as long as it does not advocate the election or defeat of specific candidates. By promoting the candidacy of John Edwards without specifically calling on Iowans to vote for him, the Alliance appears to be operating in the gray area of election law.

Edwards has promised to "sever the connection" between politics and lobbying by cracking down on special interest money and inaugurating a new era of transparency and honesty. Alliance for a New America would appear to be a good place to start.

Fact Checker did not give Edwards a Pinocchio, but instead gave him no verdict pending future judgement.

Fact-Checker says demonstrating "coordination" between the Edwards campaign and Alliance for a New America is extremely difficult. But there still seems something not entirely kosher about an advocacy group funded by organized labor and one of the richest families in America railing against "special interests."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/edwards_and_special_...


Submitted by vamma on January 5, 2008 - 11:53am.

The Fact Checker: Truth in...

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The Fact Checker: Truth in Politics

The Debates-

The Washington Post assembled a team of crack fact checkers to truth squad both debates, and call the candidates out for any inaccuracies.

Fact upon fact, the debates revealed that all the candidates exaggerate--eliminate context, slant information, distort, on, on...
A fact is a fact, right? Is the truth more important to the prognosticators or the audience they're trying to reach? That's a good question for them. What seems to count as much to voters and to the candidates themselves are appearances, likability, reputation and whether you're one-of-the-gang?? The later was especially true of the Republican Debate.

Which debate was more civil??

Obama and Clinton-

Issue: Withdrawal from Iraq

The Fact-Checkers say Obama has a clearer timetable for withdrawal and can also claim consistently opposing the Iraq war. Despite this the Washington Post says on substance of this particular exchange, the Clinton camp has the better of the argument.

The Fact Checkers gave Obama two Pinocchios for what they describe as a "somewhat tortuous" position on withdrawal.

On the other hand they've given Clinton one Pinocchio, accusing the Clinton "Fact Hub" for taking "Obama's quotes out of context, and over-simplifiying his position."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/clinton_vs_obama_the...


Submitted by vamma on January 6, 2008 - 2:15pm.

"Fact upon fact, the debates...

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"Fact upon fact, the debates revealed that all the candidates exaggerate--eliminate context, slant information, distort, on, on...

It's not the exaggeration, or even the slanting that bothers me; it's the distortion and out and out whoppers.

And the 4th Estate shares a LOT of the blame for the whoppers told. That, however, is a tangent.

For a recap of 2007's whoppers, link here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_whoppers_of_2007.html

Note to partisans: politicians from BOTH sides are skewered, for the old-fashioned reason - they earned it.

As far as Obama and Clinton's claims, both clearly recognize the dangers Iran present, both recognize that like Nixon and Ford and Carter and Reagan and Bush The Elder before them, it is imperative to communicate with your enemies.

Calling someone part of "The Axis Of Evil" and then refusing to communicate with them is NOT a chapter in Dale Carnegie's course. Professional statesmen don't recommend it, either.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 6, 2008 - 4:05pm.

"Fact upon fact,...

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"Fact upon fact, debates...

It's not the exaggeration, or even the slanting that bothers me; it's the distortion and out and out whoppers."

Yes. Its been pointed out that under the rigors and pressures of a campaign not all of this truth/fact bending is intentional??

After the simpler truths are bent out of shape, the whoppers seem to lose their ability to appear as they really are, intentional distortions!!

Of course, they (the whoppers) are believed, mired in repetitive reinforcement, eventually to become everyone else's inconvenient truth.

I don't think we need examples.


Submitted by vamma on January 6, 2008 - 6:17pm.

Obama Camp Checking the...

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Obama Camp Checking the Fact-Checker
1-06-08

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/nh_two_days_to_go_1....

Obama supporters disputed Fact-Checker’s critique of the senator blaming George W. Bush for allowing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to "fall apart."
Fact-Checker said: Well, ok, it's true that Pakistan and India were not signitories to the 1968 non-proliferation treaty, so it is technically true that they did not violate their treaty obligations. Fact Checker says once those countries went nuclear, others did same. And the pact was undermined. Now experts agree that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal presents the “single greatest national security threat to the U.S. over the next few years, given the instability of the country.”
Fact Checker said: You can't blame Bush for everything, much as some people would like to do so.

The Future? Could you believe non-partisanship?

According to a Louisiana Republican in Congress the next President is going to confront problems he’ll have to tackle with bi-partisan solutions.

Now that Obama has momentum, Hillary is toast and the GOP has new fears: Obama’s campaign promise to put incrementalism aside for sweeping bi-partisan change. Drawing in the entire pool of voters, Obama’s kind of change aims to draw in “independents and some Republicans into a working coalition, a working majority for change." One Republican nasayer accuses Obama of intellectual dishonesty and another is unhappy about things being pushed through he doesn’t agree with. On the DFL side, there’s a desire for a more “hard-edged” candidate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/06/AR200801...


Submitted by vamma on January 7, 2008 - 9:41am.

McCain gets the Pinocchio...

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McCain gets the Pinocchio Test

December 2007
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/most_revealing_fibs_...

McCain claimed that tax cuts "increase revenues" and that tax hikes have the "opposite effect" which has been disproved by his own senior domestic policy adviser, who was the former director of the Congressional Budget Office.

Here's the math. In December 2005, McCain's adviser "supervised a CBO study that looked at the economic impact of federal income tax cuts. According to the calculations of his experts, a 10 percent tax cut would result in a revenue loss of $1.241 trillion over 10 years. Under the most optimistic assumptions, increased economic growth generated by the tax cut would offset this loss by $345 billion dollars. That is a net revenue loss of nearly $900 billion."

"Asked to explain the candidate's position, the McCain campaign sent an e-mailed statement from his adviser claiming that the senator "has never supported the idea that tax cuts pay for themselves." The email went on:

"Cutting middle class taxes will generate additional growth, especially if it is accompanied by fiscally responsible spending cuts that eliminate earmarks, stop waste, and reform entitlements. John McCain believes that the improved growth will make families better off, and also happen to reduce the revenue lost by lower taxes."

That statement is consistent with McCain's adviser's views, as expressed in the 2005 CBO study. But it is not consistent with the McCain quote to the National Review. The assertion that tax cuts generate economic growth that partially offsets lost revenues is not at all the same as a claim that tax cuts actually "increase revenues."

According to the Fact-Checker, this was not the first time that Mccain's adviser had to clean up after his candidate.

Evidently the master of the "Straight Talk Express" wants cake and cake too. "After voting against the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts in the Senate, McCain has been atoning for his supply side heresy in his latest presidential run."

Fact Checker refers to Mccain as an enigma, because he received their first ever Geppetto checkmark for truth-telling, but then got cranked by three Pinocchios for the claim that the Constitution established the United States as "a Christian nation."

And Fact-Checker says they're revealing fibs??


Submitted by vamma on January 8, 2008 - 9:04am.

Well, it depends on what...

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Well, it depends on what your definition of "fibs" is!

Let's take a look at today's front page of the official local republiCon website, shall we? Here's what it says:

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HOT TOPICS

DFL LEGISLATURE SETS PER DIEM SPENDING RECORD -- Minnesota lawmakers have set a record in 2007 and the proof was in their paychecks. 5 Eyewitness News has learned that last year, State Representatives and Senators took home more than $2 million above their annual salaries.
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Now, this would indicate the republiCons are accusing the DFL of spending big-time taxpayer dough, wouldn't it? And if you follow that link to the KSTP story, KSTP points out that the top state Rep and state Senator by per diem payments are DFL, and then this is criticized by a republican.

It sure looks to me like the local GOPers are inferring the problem is the DFL. But, I notice the local republiCons don't talk about GOPers Erik Paulsen, or David Hann. And I really notice they don't rip DFLer Maria Ruud.

This sends the "red herring" flag up the ol' flagpole, because the local republiCons LOVE to make State Rep Ruud look bad. But, they aren't. Gee - I wonder why?

So, now I'm now guessing that republiCons David Hann and Erik Paulsen spent more time at the Per Diem trough than DFLer Maria Ruud.

So, I go to the links from the KSTP website, and guess what?

Local republiCons David Hann and Erik Paulsen did indeed spend more time at the per diem trough than DFLer Maria Ruud.

Erik Paulsen is way up there at the top of - to use a republiCon phrase - "lining his pockets at taxpayer expense" list, with a total taken of $11, 737.

And there's David Hann, loading up with $14, 016 of taxpayer dough.

What did Maria Ruud take in per diems?

$5,445. SIX THOUSAND LESS than Paulsen; over EIGHT THOUSAND LESS than Hann.

Yet the inference of the GOPer website is that it's a DFL problem.

This is another example of why you simply cannot believe anything the local republiCon LEADERSHIP says.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 8, 2008 - 3:14pm.

There is hope for you,...

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There is hope for you, Tommy!

First of all, I am happy to welcome you as a regular reader to the SD42 site – congratulations. Admitting your weaknesses is often the first step to finding a cure.

Second, I commend you for admitting that per diem payments (which were increased by a whopping 50% by the 2007 DFL legislature) are a BAD IDEA.

To see how YOUR LEGISLATOR voted on increasing the per diem, click here. You will find that indeed ALL THREE of our esteemed legislators are mentioned. See if you can determine which party – to use your childish language – Republicon or Democrap – is responsible for this boondoggle?

Once again, Tommy, I continue to invite you to raise the bar on your commentaries. Are you capable of posting a comment without slandering anyone or without calling anyone a name? Try it once! Instead of bullying and name-calling, let’s REALLY discuss the issues. How about it?

What is the definition of "socialist", Tommy? Do you know?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 8, 2008 - 4:17pm.

Go fish, Peter. Your attempt...

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Go fish, Peter.

Your attempt to smear the DFL, while protecting your own, is obvious.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 8, 2008 - 4:25pm.

Peter are you saying...

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Peter are you saying Democrats are ultimately responsible for the idea of an increase, e.g. they sponsored the bill, but Republicans took more money, right? Because locally they did.
Actually Republicans offered amendments to the bill, which were rejected and each party voted for it, the vote was 59 to 7 supporting it. At the end the Republican minority leader said it was a victory for transparency. (See below) Also, the per diem is based on how often you worked at the Legislature. Hann voted against the bill, but ultimately used it the most of any EP legislator. Go figure! BTW, according to Senate text it would seem a Republican started the initial conversation.

Vote-
http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/journals/2007-2008/20070221019.pdf#Pag...

Anderson
Bakk
Berglin
Betzold
Bonoff
Carlson
Chaudhary
Clark
Cohen
Dibble
Doll
Erickson Ropes
Fischbach
Foley
Frederickson
Gerlach
Gimse
Higgins
Johnson
Jungbauer
Koering
Kubly
Langseth
Larson
Latz
Limmer
Lourey
Lynch
Marty
Metzen
Moua
Murphy
Neuville
Olseen
Olson, G.
Olson, M.
Ortman
Pappas
Pogemiller
Prettner Solon
Rest
Robling
Rosen
Rummel
Saltzman
Saxhaug
Scheid
Senjem
Sheran
Sieben
Skoe
Skogen
Sparks
Stumpf
Tomassoni
Torres Ray
Vickerman
Wergin
Wiger

Those who voted in the negative were:
Day
Hann
Ingebrigtsen
Koch
Michel
Pariseau

Per diem resolution approved

A resolution affirming the per diem level of $96, set by the Rules and Administration Committee near the start of the 85th Legislative Session, consumed the bulk of the Wed., Feb. 21, Senate floor session.

S.R. 41, authored by Majority Leader Lawrence Pogemiller (DFL-Mpls.), also provides that members voting against the per diem allowance must file a written request for per diem with the Secretary of the Senate, the Senate’s chief administrative officer. Members who vote for the per diem allowance, under the resolution, are not required to take any additional action to collect per diem. Pogemiller said the resolution is about transparency. The written request provision, he said, is intended merely to clarify with Senate staff what a Senator’s intent is regarding per diem.

Sen. David Hann (R-Eden Prairie) said the resolution was unusual. Depending on how you vote, you do one thing or another, he said. Hann said the principle could be extended to spending bills, preventing districts whose Senator votes “no” on a bill from getting state funds. However, Pogemiller countered that the resolution is different from general laws, because it deals only with an internal Senate matter. This is simply about transparency, he said.

An amendment setting the per diem rate at $96, but providing that members may only collect per diem during the interim on days when their presence is recorded at an official committee or commission meeting, was offered by Sen. Thomas Neuville (R-Northfield). Under the amendment, members may collect daily per diem during the session, as under current practice. Conditioning per diem on a member’s vote is disrespectful, Neuville said, because it seeks to punish Senators for disagreeing with the majority. He said the amendment creates a level playing field, since currently members of the Majority Caucus may collect per diem when they come in for general office business, while members of the Minority Caucus may only collect per diem when they come in for a committee meeting. Pogemiller opposed the amendment, saying it reduces transparency by allowing Senators to vote against per diem but collect the payments anyway. Sen. Pat Pariseau (R-Farmington) offered an amendment to the amendment setting the per diem amount at $66, the pre-2007 rate. The amendment to the amendment was rejected on a voice vote. The Neuville amendment failed, 18-48.

Hann offered an amendment requiring members who vote “yes” on the per diem amount to address the Senate for at least 10 minutes before claiming per diem payments. In the spirit of transparency, he said, we can all be clear on why we need the per diem provided in the resolution. The amendment was not adopted, 5-61. Sen. Ray Vandeveer (R-Forest Lake) offered an amendment requiring members to indicate in writing the amount of per diem they wish to claim, up to the maximum of $96, regardless of how they vote on the resolution. We should not give the public the perception that there is any cynical intent behind this resolution, he said. The amendment failed, 20-46. An amendment changing the language in the bill for members voting against the resolution and claiming per diem from a written “request” to a written “statement” was offered by Sen. Michelle Fischbach (R-Paynesville). A request implies that someone will approve or deny the matter, she said. Pogemiller had earlier clarified that the written request was not a matter to be approved, Fischbach said, but just an administrative step. The amendment reflects that more appropriately, she said. The amendment was not accepted on a voice vote.

I am troubled by both the substance and the timing of this resolution, said Sen. Geoff Michel (R-Edina). We can and should have the debate on Legislative compensation, he said, but the right place to start it is in the Compensation Council. If Legislators are undercompensated, then the right solution is to adjust the salary, Michel said. Additionally, the per diem rate was increased soon after the session started, he said. Not many jobs give you a raise in the first month of work, he said. We should perform a little more, Michel said, and then discuss whether we deserve a raise.

Minority Leader David Senjem (R-Rochester) thanked Vandeveer (R) for starting the conversation about the per diem process. This has opened up government and created total participation, he said. Senjem said the process itself, debating per diem on the Senate floor, represents a victory for transparency.

The bill was approved 59 to 7.

Here below is a link to SR41-

http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/briefly/floor_display.php?filename_typ...

"Comment is free, but facts are sacred." -- C.P. Scott, editor Manchester Guardian, 1921


Submitted by vamma on January 8, 2008 - 5:40pm.

There were two votes in the...

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There were two votes in the Senate and there were eight votes in the House (click on each link to see the votes).

The two votes in the Senate were:

(1) A clean vote on the per diem increase. It was defeated in the DFL senate 46-19. In that vote two Republicans joined the Democrats in supporting the per diem increase.

(2) The same exact vote but with one important change: Senators who voted against the per diem increase would be punished -- forced to fill out paperwork to get their per diem pay, senators who voted for it would not. With that provision in the bill, as you correctly outline above, the bill passed 59-7. Locally our Senator was only one of 7 to vote against the bill despite the blackmail.

Randy Krebs, editor of the Saint Cloud Times, commented that the "vote with us or suffer" provision was truly a gag me event, not one of our legislature's proudest moments.

As Paul Harvey says, so now you know the rest of the story.

The larger question is: Was this a wise expenditure of public tax money? Instead of spending our surplus on schools or roads or -- perish the thought -- actually giving it back to the taxpayers responsible for it -- our legislature's first act in 2007 was to do what with it? Increase their per diem pay by 50 percent? Nice!


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 8, 2008 - 6:11pm.

Let’s start backwards:...

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Let’s start backwards: historically and factually, our Republican Governor and GOP dominated legislature had already delivered deep cuts to schools and roads, without DFL support.

This is how MPR reported the increase in Legislator pay:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/
ongoing/votetracker/issue_view.php?id=76

”Minnesota senators voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to stick with a $30-per-day increase in their daily expense checks. The Senate voted 59-to-7 to continue a $96-a-day expense rate that most members began collecting more than six weeks ago. The seven Republican senators who voted against the increase (which included Hann) will have to ask for their expense checks in writing, and one called the requirement a stunt designed to punish them." However, Rep Ron Erhardt, R, Edina said “We're all entitled to a little cost of living allowance now and again.”

"John Marty of Roseville, ****** Cohen of St. Paul, both Democrats - had previously informed Senate budget officers that they would take less than the maximum in per diem. Sen. Don Betzold, DFL-Fridley, refuses per diem for weekends and holidays."

This hardly sounds like blackmail. One would assume Hann could have opted out of the increase. Because in “the House, about three dozen members took less than the maximum during the 2006 session, said Paul Schweizer, the House controller.”

So, why did Hann spend the more than EP's two other legislators? Housing checks go to members whose regular homes are at least 50 miles from the Capitol for rent and to receive reimbursements for their actual costs. Why Hann out-spent other local legislators is a question we should ask him, especially since he voted against the bill. Certainly we are not 50 miles from the capital and certainly calling it blackmail is an over exaggeration.

When it comes down to it, this is a discussion about ideological differences. Part of the DFL rational was that legislator pay should be able to support and attract people to public service. With this in mind, the DFL legislature also proposed a worker wage increase in spring 2007.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/
web/2007/04/18/minwage/

Twenty-five other states had a higher minimum wage than Minnesota. But, Republicans “labeled the bill a "job killer" because a higher wage requirement would increase costs for employers who would then be forced to cut jobs.”

But SF875, which raised the minimum wage, PASSED on a 40-to-23 roll call vote anyway. Hann did not vote. Interesting for a legislator who was supposedly blackmailed for accepting an increase in per diem to show up to work, didn’t show up for a very important vote to increase workers’ pay. The irony is stunning.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects
/ongoing/votetracker/issue_view.php?id=86


Submitted by vamma on January 8, 2008 - 9:20pm.

It seems that every year,...

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It seems that every year, for the last several years, the local republiCons have been trying to blame per diem excesses on the DFL, when Paulsen and Hann like to pig at the trough as much as anyone.

I found this old letter, published here, that I had saved in MS Word:

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Questions legislators' per diem expenses

I checked the per diem expenses for the three representatives of Eden Prairie, Rep. Erik Paulson, Rep. Maria Ruud and Sen. David Hann. Per diem payments are for meals paid above the salary for their part-time job as representatives.

I was shocked at the amount Republican Rep. Paulson took for meals on top of his $43,597.26 salary. Rep. Paulson took $11,464, including $838 for interim expenses and $1,386 for the special session. Knowing Rep. Paulson is in a leadership position that requires more time at the Capitol, I contacted his staff. Rep. Paulson's staff thought a leader probably requires 25 percent more time than other representatives. Rep. Paulson was the 21st largest spender of all 134 representatives.

In checking the freshmen representatives, Republican Sen. Hann on top of his salary of $31,141 had per diem expenses of $9,306.
Democratic Rep. Ruud on top of her salary of $31,141 took $4,895 for per diem, nothing for interim expenses and nothing for the special session. Of the 134 representative in the state, Rep. Ruud was 123rd or 11th from the bottom.

Hann took twice that of Rep. Ruud. Even more appalling is the fact Rep. Paulson took more than two times more in per diem than Rep. Ruud. If you add 25 percent to Rep. Ruud's per diem you get $6,118.75.

Both Hann and Paulson are Republicans who ran their elections on cutting waste out of government yet don't seem to hesitate to stuff their pockets with our money. The Republicans of our town are on the dole. Not only did they take advantage of the system but this year with "no new taxes" they raised their own per diem allowance from $56 a day to $66.

Let's put this increase in perspective. Minimum wage is $6.15 per hour, for a large company with sales over $615,000, or $49.20 for an eight-hour work day and $5.25 for a small company or $42 for an eight-hour work day. Republicans expect the poorest to live on $42 to $49.20 per day, yet they cannot eat for $56 a day and had to raise their own per diem by 18 percent to $66 per day. Where is the logic and fairness in their greed? So much for compassion.

Does per diem amount to that much money? If you add the Senate and House per diem together for this year the resulting $2 million does not include their wages. The system is set up that if you claim more for per diem you will also increase your retirement payment. On top of that, per diem is tax free if the representative lives more than 50 miles from the Capitol. Sounds like an extremely inequitable system!

Perhaps the fairest thing our representatives could do is to tie their per diem cost to minimum wage. Current minimum wage is $42 a day then per diem should be $42 a day. This might in a very small way let them feel what minimum wage is like and perhaps change their arguments on increasing minimum wage.

John Mallo
Eden Prairie
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What Peter will never admit, but is blatantly obvious, is he will spin anything for partisan purposes. The inference at the republiCon's website is that per diem is a DFL scandal, when locally the exact opposite is true.

He's a prime example of why local republiCon LEADERSHIP cannot be trusted.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 9, 2008 - 12:02am.

Tommy, you are starting to...

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Tommy, you are starting to sound like Howard Dean.


Submitted by Gino G on January 8, 2008 - 9:38pm.

Vamma says: "Part of the DFL...

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Vamma says: "Part of the DFL rational was that legislator pay should be able to support and attract people to public service"

Yes, I agree that was indeed their rationale for increasing their per diem allowance 50 percent in 2007. They wanted an income enhancer.

But that's not what per diems are for, are they? A per diem is basically a food allowance.

$96 per day. Pause for a moment and consider that. $96 per day. Where are they eating? Murrays? Lobster and champaign for breakfast?

I mean couldn’t they pack a peanut butter sandwich once in a while? Order out to Dominos?

Politicians are always telling us how they relate to the common folk out there. I submit to you that $96 seems extravagant. How much do you spend a day on food?

If you spend the same in one day on food that some entire families spend in a week, your sense of proportion is probably out of whack. And you probably don't need to be raising my taxes.

Whether or not a particular lawmaker is abusing per diems is beside the point. The point is: LET'S STOP IT.

At the very least we should be demanding restaurant receipts. This is required by most private sector companies that offer per diems for their employees (ie. for business trips). Currently all your lawmakers have to say is: "I want X dollars" and they cut a check - no receipts required. I want proof that the money was really spent on food.

If the money is, as you describe, meant to be an income enhancer, it should be voted on by the full house and senate and signed by the governor (like any normal pay increase) and the income should not be tax free. Can you imagine the arrogance -- they raise your taxes and yet they insist that their own income should be tax free -- nice!

Finally, I think the increases of 2007 should be rolled back to something more reasonable. $96 per day is not reasonable.

Let's do an experiment. Stop 10 people at the Eden Prairie Mall sometime and tell them you are doing a survey. Ask them whether lawmakers charging taxpayers $96 for per day for a food allowance is reasonable or unreasonable. If it is unreasonable, then we need to undo this vote.

You mention other issues -- minimum wage, etc -- which I would dearly love to debate with you sometime. Let's leave it at this for now.


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 9, 2008 - 3:14am.

VAMMA, you can't have an...

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VAMMA, you can't have an honest debate with Peter, because Peter simply isn't capable of doing so.

The whole point of this Per Diem discussion is that the local republicons - AGAIN - are distoring an issue on their website.

And since this discussion of per diem and the GOP website started, they've updated their website.

"To add clarity?" a reasonable person might ask.

Let's take a look, at that update!

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DFL LEGISLATURE SETS PER DIEM SPENDING RECORD -- Minnesota lawmakers have set a record in 2007 and the proof was in their paychecks. 5 Eyewitness News has learned that last year, State Representatives and Senators took home more than $2 million above their annual salaries. Click here to find out how your legislator voted on increasing their pay.
***

Imagine that! The GOP, providing a link to where Paulsen and Hann voted against pigging out at the trough, but NOT providing a link to where Paulsen and Hann ARE porking out at the trough!

This, VAMMA, is distortion, pure and simple.

We also have Paulsen and Hann clearly demonstrating why GOP now stands for GreedOverPrinciples - they were against it, before they profited from it.

And everyone reading this needs to understand that Peter, who is doing his "best" to cover for Hann, Paulsen, Ypung, Duckstand and Aho, is the official webmaster for the official GOP SD42 website.

Which, of course, is another reason why GOP now stands for GreedOverPrinciples.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 9, 2008 - 8:11am.

The Fact Checker: Truth in...

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The Fact Checker: Truth in Politics

Poetry versus Prose

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/poetry_versus_prose....

Fact-Checker made the important distinction, that this election and these candidates are about stirring passion or their not, particularly Obama for the Dems and Huckabee for the Republicans. One is a Pastor and the other speaks like Martin Luther King.

"You campaign in poetry, but you govern in prose."
--Hillary Clinton, Nashua, N.H., Jan. 6.

Fact-Checker says:
"Poetry candidates talk about hope; prose candidates emphasize experience. Poetry candidates synthesize their message; prose candidates draw up laundry lists. Poetry candidates campaign on a story and a personal narrative; prose candidates campaign on their records. Poetry candidates focus on "tomorrow" rather than "yesterday." With prose candidates, the emphasis is usually the other way around.

Poetry candidates run on charisma. Prose candidates run on competence. Poetry candidates tend to be outsiders, prose candidates insiders. Poetry candidates appeal to the heart, prose candidates to the head"

As Fact-Checker "followed the candidates around New Hampshire, he began thinking of them not as Democrats and Republicans, but as representatives of the Poetry party and the Prose party." Here is his list:

Poetry candidates Prose candidates
Barack Obama Hillary Clinton
John McCain Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee Rudy Giuliani
John Edwards Bill Richardson

"As you can see from that list, the Poetry candidates come in a variety of flavors. A Huckabee speech is very different from an Obama speech. Like Obama and McCain, however, Huckabee is a synthesizer. His message consists of two essentials: (1) I am a regular guy, just like you, the voter; (2) I represent Christian values."

Fact Checker says "in many American elections, there has not been a top-notch poetry candidate and a top-notch prose candidate. Prose candidates dominated the last two elections, Bush vs. Kerry and Bush vs. Gore. When there is a choice, the poetry candidates tend to do better, particularly at turning points in American history.

Poetry party Prose party
Bill Clinton George H.W. Bush
Ronald Reagan Carter/Mondale
John F. Kennedy R ichard Nixon

Here's the first comment to Fact-Checker's post:

"Why is this on the "Fact Checker" blog? It doesn't involve any facts or checking. Why don't you start a separate blog called "My Random Thoughts from the Campaign Trail" if that's the kind of writing you want to do?"

Posted by: | January 8, 2008 12:34 PM

No one gets off scott free, even Fact-Checker


Submitted by vamma on January 9, 2008 - 12:51pm.

You miss the point again,...

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You miss the point again, Tommy. If you hate per diems, then ANY amount is an abuse. If you hate per diems then you ought to be livid about these eight votes in the Minnesota House and these two votes in the Minnesota Senate.

Again, to borrow your filthy language -– was the per diem increase a Republicon or a Democrap initiative? Which party supported and insisted on the increase and which party tried to stop the increase?

But the abuse doesn’t just stop at per diems. Your legislature voted in 2007 to give themselves a $1,200 housing allowance (or $14,400 per year) even though they meet for less than three months this year. Can you tell me why your legislator needs a year-round housing allowance?

Who voted for this increase? Republicons or Democraps?

In addition, the DFL leadership increased the number of government committees by a third. The nine new committees include Minnesota Heritage, Mental Health, Fish and Game, fourth and fifth education committees, Housing Finance, Energy Finance, Labor, and an extra Finance Committee to serve the Ways and Means Committee.

Every one of these new committees needs staff and extra budgets. Every one of these committees comes with budget mandates (you need to spend money to justify your existence). Almost every DFL legislator now can boast that he or she is a chair or vice chair of some House Committee or Panel.

Who put these extra committees in place? Who increased the size of government by one third? Republicons or Democraps?

Furthermore, if the per diems were soooooo important to the DFL, why did they not campaign on this? All I saw were slick ads about schools and health care. I didn’t see one ad about per diems. Why?

Why didn’t they say – right in their campaign literature – if you vote for me, my first act as a legislator will be to spend the budget surplus to increase my own pay? Don’t you think that would have been more honest?

They could have even put together an emotional ad campaign. I see something along the lines of a Sally Struthers – aid for African children ad:

ADOPT A LEGISLATOR
Won’t you please help this legislator?
(insert photo of desperate looking legislator here)

Like most Minnesotans, you probably lay awake wondering how Minnesota's DFL legislators can afford to feed themselves without increasing their expense allowance from $66 per day to $96 per day. But now we have started an “Adopt a Legislator” campaign.

That’s right -- for a contribution of just $30 per day (or about $4,200 per legislative session) you can make sure that your local DFL legislator can afford to eat at the finest restaurants in the Twin Cities. Yes, for the mere cost of a 50-inch high-definition flat panel plasma television, you can rest easy knowing that Maria Ruud and Larry Pogemiller and Phyllis Kahn never again have to make the difficult choice between tap water and Evian.


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 9, 2008 - 1:23pm.

Peter.... The per diem is...

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Peter....

The per diem is for living expenses, food, housing, gas, etc.. It’s clear that it’s purpose is not just for food. So, your entire rant about peanut butter versus lobster and comparisons to how much families spend on food is an inaccurate response to the facts: per diems are for more than just food.

It was a Republican legislator who added the word TRANSPARENCY to the discussion. He said the bill would make the process more transparent. No Republican or Democrat added an amendment to include receipts. If they did it was obviously voted down.

By all means you can approach Senator Hann, who is spending the most of any Eden Prairie legislator, and ask him if he’d like to submit receipts. I would never do that.

I believe that this bill had a distinction in that it was “IN-HOUSE;” so it wasn’t a change that required a signature from the Governor.

You have again, turned the blame on the Democrats, when in fact the vote crossed party lines.

Here’s AP’s version. This explains the economics and I think it makes clear, something I already stated< that legislators can choose to opt out, that expense costs in the Twin Cities are high and that they want citizens of ordinary means to be able to serve on the Legislature.

What you are not addressing and seem to be avoiding a discussion of is that Hann, who voted against this per diem legislation, is in fact taking advantage of the extra allowance, yet he didn't show up for a vote that would have given ordinary working MN citizens an increase to match the rising cost of living so they have the ability to pay their bills, buy food and pay rent. There are different reasons to miss voting, and this vote would have resulted in an increase whether Hann voted or not. Maybe he thought he'd save taxpayers by not voting, since his vote wasn't going to sway the outcome? I think every tax-payer would prefer he be there doing his job.

Let's compare this to McCain. As a voter, I am not enthralled by a voting record of no-shows on important (all and any) legislation, whether your vote is going to sway the outcome or not.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/05/mccain_misses_42...

McCain Misses 42nd Straight Vote ... and Counting
Sen. John McCain (R-Campaign Trail) missed another vote today on a resolution related to the Iraq war, skipping a procedural move on a war funding measure in favor of hitting the campaign trail in New York.

In fact, McCain's missed vote today marked his fifth straight week without casting a vote on the Senate floor, with this morning's vote marking the 42nd straight roll call that he has missed.

Since the first-quarter fundraising period for presidential candidates ended March 31, McCain has made just three floor votes. He hasn't cast a single vote since the full details of his wildly disappointing presidential campaign's fundraising report were revealed in mid-April.

If McCain misses the next three votes -- the $2.9 trillion fiscal 2008 budget is likely to be voted on this afternoon -- he will officially have been absent for 50 percent of the more than 170 roll calls held in the chamber so far in the 110th Congress.

Democratic frontrunners Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Barack Obama (Ill.), they have missed just 1.8 percent and 6.4 percent of votes this year, respectively.

MORE PER DIEM FACTS:

Minnesota Senate bumps up their per diem
POSTED AT 12:31 PM ON JANUARY 10, 2007 BY TOM SCHECK (0 COMMENTS)
AP has the story
Senators up maximum daily allowance by $30
By BRIAN BAKST Associated Press Writer
ST. PAUL (AP) - Minnesota senators boosted their maximum daily expense checks by 45 percent, bringing to $96 the allowance members can use for meals and incidental costs. They also bumped up the monthly housing allowance by $300, or one third.
The cost to taxpayers depends on how many senators collect checks - it's at their prerogative to get the allowances. But Sen. Dennis Frederickson, R-New Ulm, estimated that the tally could reach $200,000 a year.
For members who take the full per diem amount, the change enables them to draw $13,440 this year. They can take per diem payments seven days a week while the Legislature is in session, which is due to run 140 days in 2007.
The $30 raise and the extra lodging amount were approved by the Senate Rules and Administration Committee on a voice vote with no audible dissent. The action doesn't require any additional approval.
The House hasn't decided on its own per diem plan. That chamber set it at $66 in 2005.
Senators defended the hike, noting that the daily allowance hadn't gone up since 2001 and the lodging rate wasn't touched since 2000.
"It's reasonable to expect that members be reimbursed for reasonable expenses," said Senate Majority Leader Larry Pogemiller, DFL-Minneapolis.
Pogemiller said he doesn't consider the bump to be a backdoor pay increase.
House and Senate salaries have been stuck at $31,140 since 1999.
The housing checks go to members whose regular homes are at least 50 miles from the Capitol. They can rent apartments or stay at hotels and receive lodging reimbursements for their actual costs. The new monthly maximum is $1,200, an amount that is paid out year-round. Twenty-eight of 67 senators now collect the allowance, and 11 senators had rents that exceeded the old $900 maximum, Pogemiller said.
Frederickson said the Internal Revenue Service has pegged daily Twin Cities expense costs - both lodging and meals - at $177 in an index the IRS publishes. Combined, the two new rates total $132.75 a day.
"We want that amount to be high enough so citizens of ordinary means can afford to come and serve in the Legislature," he said.

(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
AP-NY-01-10-07 1323EST


Submitted by vamma on January 9, 2008 - 1:40pm.

Vamma says: "We want that...

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Vamma says: "We want that amount to be high enough so citizens of ordinary means can afford to come and serve in the Legislature"

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I can't sympathise. They knew how much the job paid when they ran for the office.

But you pose an interesting point.

If a legislator opposes a pay increase -- and votes against it -- but it passes anyway -- is it your position that they should voluntarily forfeit that increase? An interesting point of view.

So, under your scenario, we would have two pay scales in the Minnesota legislature: Those who want the increase will get paid more for the same work as those who advocated government living within its means.

So does this translate to other areas as well?

If I am for limited government, am I a hyprocrite to go to a Twins game in the new stadium that I think shouldn't have been built with taxpayer money?

Am I a hypocrite for collecting unemployment insurance that is higher in Minnesota than any other state?

Am I a hypocrite if I advocate a simpler fairer tax system but take the tax deductions that I wish didn't exist?

Am I a hypocrite for riding a light rail line whose funds I believe would have been better spent on roads and bridges?

How far does this go?

If you oppose the military, are you a hypocrite for enjoying the freedoms that our military has secured?

If you oppose animal research, are you a hypocrite for taking drugs that were developed from testing on animals?

If you support the environment, are you a hypocrite for driving a car or utilizing indoor plumbing?

An interesting view. I'll have to ponder that one.


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 9, 2008 - 2:49pm.

You're spinning, Peter. No...

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You're spinning, Peter.

No surprise there!

If you have to distort facts to make a point, Peter, your point isn't worth making.

The subject of this thread is "Truth In Politics", and you're proving - AGAIN - that you're simply incapable of telling the truth.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 9, 2008 - 5:25pm.

What is untrue, Tommy? Can...

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What is untrue, Tommy? Can you elaborate, pretty please? What specific lie have I told?

You need to try to make your arguments in civilized manner. Instead of slandering your opponent and calling them ugly names, try to beat them with facts and rational argument.

You have proposed that if someone votes against a legislative pay increase, they are hypocritical if they then claim what is legally theirs to claim. I just want to clarify if you apply the same logic to other things as well.

I’m not saying that your opinion is wrong. I just find it a little . . . curious. Why would you oppose one politician taking the per diem, but you are not opposed to another politician voting to increase it by 50 percent? It’s an amazing thought process -– and one that I will have to . . . ponder.


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 9, 2008 - 6:04pm.

Specifically, Peter, you...

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Specifically, Peter, you posted Letters To The Editor on your website, where you claimed they were "as published in the Eden Prairie News" and when you claimed they were "as published in the Sun Current", WHEN IN FACT they were NOT "as published in the Eden Prairie News" and they were NOT "as published in the Sun Current." What do you call it, when in fact what you posted was NOT true?

Which is why the Sun Current published the following letter:

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from archives: Opinion: Reprint is distorted

(Created: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:52 PM CDT)

To the editor:

Judging by a recent letters to the editor, "Voter ID" bill (HF 1443) is not fully understood. As with most bills introduced for consideration, this bill was complex. First introduced by Republican Rep. Tom Emmer on March 3, 2005, it was not passed until this spring, after much debate.

If anyone should understand the complexities of such a bill, it should be an official of a political party, such as Al Bode, a vice chair of Senate District 42 Republicans.

Mr. Bode's letter (published June 1) questioned Democratic Rep. Maria Ruud's vote on this bill. Rather than discussing the merits of the debate, Mr. Bode chose to ask simplistic, rhetorical questions that did not accurately reflect the nature of the debate. Mr. Bode did not identify himself as a Republican party official. The effects of this letter are to distort the nature of the debate and have the casual reader assume an average citizen wrote this letter. Quite frankly, this is dirty politics.

More disturbingly, the Republican Web site for District 42 reprinted Mr. Bode's letter as it appeared in the Sun Newspapers, but with a different headline. That is distortion.

When something is posted as a reprint on a political party's Web site, there should be the presumption that it's reprinted accurately. Sadly, with the Republican District 42 Web site, such a presumption would be wrong.

Tom Johnson

Eden Prairie

Tom Johnson recently sought the DFL endorsement for U.S. Representative in District 3.
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http://www.mnsun.com/articles/2006/06/29/opinion/fw29johnson.txt

Let me repeat this, just for you, Peter:

When something is posted as a reprint on a political party's Web site, there should be the presumption that it's reprinted accurately. Sadly, with the Republican District 42 Web site, such a presumption would be wrong.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 9, 2008 - 6:42pm.

Focus, Tommy, focus....

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Focus, Tommy, focus. Whenever you start losing one argument you want to take the conversation into another direction. Let's get back to per diems.

You said that what appears on the SD42 website about per diems is a lie.

What specifically is the lie?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 10, 2008 - 12:54am.

Nice try, Peter. Here's how...

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Nice try, Peter.

Here's how your website reads, today:

The following letter is reprinted from Eden Prairie News, Thursday, June 1, 2006

Election Safeguards
By: Al Bode

(blah, blah, blah).

Here's how you distorted this letter, originally:

---Original Message-----
From: Two Putt Tommy [mailto:t@.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:05 PM
To: editor@edenprairienews.com
Subject: Al Bode

Karla,

I just saw this, on the Republican SD-42 website:

http://www.mngop.com/sd42/vote_fraud.html

Reprinted from Eden Prairie News, Letters to the Editor, Thursday, June 01, 2006
Maria Ruud Protects Vote Fraud
By: Al Bode

(blah, blah, blah)

It's only after The Eden Prairie News complained about the distortion, that you changed it.

However, the change was NOT to how it was actually published in The Eden Prairie News; instead, you furthered the distortion by claiming that's how it was published in the Sun.

Which, of course, was NOT how it was published in the Sun.

Now, it must be pointed out to the reasonable people reading this, that this was not the only letter the GOP was distorting on the GreedOverPrinciples website.

And your continued attempts to deny these facts are simply more proof - to reasonable people - that the GOP LEADERSHIP are NOT reasonable people, and GOP LEADERSHIP cannot be trusted.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 10, 2008 - 8:50am.

Peter said: If a legislator...

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Peter said:
If a legislator opposes a pay increase -- and votes against it -- but it passes anyway -- is it your position that they should voluntarily forfeit that increase? An interesting point of view.

Legislators can, not must, not should, opt out if they want to; they don’t have to take the per diem increase or they can take it. IT IS NOT MY POSITION; it’s how the bill was written.

HANN TOOK the per diem, didn’t vote for it. But, one assumes the legislature allows him to do that. So, many of us view this as hypocritical.

The premise upon which you base your list is faulty because it’s not about things we do, that we don’t have control over.

This is about someone who had the control to vote or not vote a bill down with a result which might take the per diem allowance away from others who needed it and wanted it.

He made the choice to possibly deprive others of the per diem and then he ultimately took it himself.

Maybe it wasn’t even the per diem he objected to, maybe it was some other aspect of the bill, because he unsuccessfully tried to amend it.

Your logic is faulty. This is not about unintended consequences; it’s about the direct result of an action someone takes directly that will affect them and other people.

Try sticking to the bare facts..


Submitted by vamma on January 9, 2008 - 8:33pm.

Vamma, you're repeating...

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Vamma, you're repeating yourself.

Your blog is called "FACT checker" and yet what we're seeing here is more accurately called "opinion".

Your OPINION is that he is wrong/hypocritical to take advantage of a pay increase that he opposed.

And I say that legislators have the right to be treated equally. If we put enough conservative Republicans in charge, my hope would be that one of their first acts would be to undo the per diem increase of 2007.

Your OPINION is that $66 per day is not enough to cover expenses. The $66 covers food and travel but NOT housing. There is a separate $1200 per month ($14,400 per year) allowance for housing. And the housing allowance was extended from 6 months to a full year by the 2007 legislature.

If you spent $96 today on your lunch and paying for gas to get to and from work, then you're more talented than I. I don't think I could spend that kind of dough if I tried. I mean, I just don't eat at those kind of places. And since we're talking about hypocrisy -- how about a political party that says they care about the poor and then says $66 per day is not enough to cover their expenses?

Ok - so I guess we disagree. It happens. What can you do?

So what's next? Should we move on to minimum wage (since you brought that up earlier)?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 10, 2008 - 1:21am.

Fact Checker: Truth in...

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Fact Checker: Truth in Politics

How often have you heard the press admit they got it wrong?

Washington Post’s Fact-Checker and ABC admitted, they and the rest of the press, really got it wrong in New Hampshire.

Their tea leaves were measured by lines of voters. Tabulating crowds as votes, whoever would have thought? We could go out and do it ourselves if it was that easy: count the crowd, and construe that each person in line definitely it equals a vote.

If you’re not already fractured by the ineptness, Fact-Checker says, “If the media tells voters they are going to vote for a certain candidate, they are quite capable of turning around and clipping that candidate’s wings.”

Ah, then they admit to manipulation of voters.
Okay, a smidgeon of truth. While media was telling voters to vote for Obama, those contrarian voters in New Hampshire just turned a cheek and put Hillary at the top of the heap.

If this was truly a fair miscalculation, why didn’t it happen in the Republican race? Fact checker gives us less than flimsy reasons for why they and the rest of the press got it wrong.

Were they so carried away by poetry they couldn’t count? According to ABC news it’s unprecedented for so many polls to be wrong about the same race??

ABC agrees this was isolated to the Democratic race and they’re looking for a smoking gun. They say it could just be a superior get- out- the- vote effort, a change of mind at the last minute, a failure in voter sampling or modeling, but that’s hard to buy.

Or maybe it’s just a simple case of prejudging, getting caught up in the perfect storm, without having your feet firmly planted on the ground? Because it just wasn’t New Hampshire and ABC that got it wrong, they all got it wrong.

It’s a Cry Wolf thing.

"Even when liars tell the truth, they are never believed.” The liar will lie once, twice, and then be unbelievable when he finally tells the truth." There are a few politicians who hang their hats on this Aesop line.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/poetry_vs_prose_part...
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2008/01/new-hampshires.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf


Submitted by vamma on January 10, 2008 - 8:08am.

Peter, what you posted on...

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Peter, what you posted on your website is a distortion.

When called on it, you updated your website - not to clarify, but to further the distortion.

In your attempts to spin out of being caught, you've practiced The Dark Arts, including projection and deflection.

After all, as VAMMA said:

You have again, turned the blame on the Democrats, when in fact the vote crossed party lines.

Addtionally, you not only blamed the DFL, you ignored Paulsen's and Hann's porking at the taxpayer trough, while ignoring Ruud's responsible handling of taxpayer funds.

But, the most ironic part of this discussion, is you using Paulsen and Hann to clearly demonstrate why GOP now stands for GreedOverPrinciples - they were against it, before they profited from it.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 10, 2008 - 8:17am.

Peter, you're talking in...

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Peter, you're talking in circles.....

So, you can avoid talking about your mistakes in logic.

The facts are that he voted against it and then took the per diem.

On a very basic human level, this is a contradiction in action. It is a contradiction within himself and certainly it had the potential of affecting others.

You’ve jumped all over the place to try to shake the facts unsuccessfully.

You aren’t listening and you aren’t reading the bill and the comments made by legislators because this was not a party vote, it was a unanimous vote.

You keep bringing up hypotheticals and even those are illogically stated to muddy up the facts, because it’s the only way you can make the discussion go away.

Legislators chose to do this because they had not received an increase since 1991. It’s hard for a family of four to live on $31,000.00 today. That’s about starting pay for one person in today’s job market.

I believe in both parties working together for solutions, which is what they did on this bill. What you embrace, putting one party in charge, has been the problem for the last 8 years.


Submitted by vamma on January 10, 2008 - 8:30am.

Talking in circles? Peter,...

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Talking in circles?

Peter, who is a GOP LEADER??!?

Say it ain't so, VAMMA...

You know, VAMMA, most reasonable people, when contacted by a newspaper and told what they were doing was WRONG, would simply apologize, correct the mistake, and move on.

Then again, "reasonable" people are not running today's SD42 GOP.

What these unreasonable people did, was simply change their distortion to a different paper.

Of course, these unreasonable people got caught doing this, too.

Did they ever learn from the error of their ways?

Judging by this per diem discussion, the answer is clear:

GOP LEADERSHIP cannot be trusted.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 10, 2008 - 8:45am.

Vamma says: "This is a...

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Vamma says: "This is a contradiction in action"

As long as what they are doing violates no laws, I don’t think anyone has a legitimate gripe.

The question then becomes: Is it a good law? If so, then we’re all happy, right?

If it isn't good law, then we need to examine:

(1) Who put the law in place? and

(2) How do we undo the damage?

That takes us down a very different path than the one you have outlined here.

Vamma says: "It’s hard for a family of four to live on $31,000.00 today"

Yep - I guess I have to agree with this red herring. And at least you are honest and admit that the per diem increase was meant as nothing more than income enhancement.

The law outlines proper procedure for raising the pay of legislators.

You propose a pay increase in the form of a bill. The bill has go through committees, gets a public hearing, undergoes public scrutiny, has to get passed by both houses, and, finally, has to get the governor’s signature. Once it is established, the members have to pay taxes on the money just the same as you and me.

None of that happens with per diems. In fact, the only reason we have any recorded votes on this at all is because a few lawmakers (who all happen to be Republican) decided to raise a stink about it.

Per diems can be passed in secret, require no public scrutiny, do not require the governor’s signature, require no proof in the form of receipts, and are not subject to taxation.

It's a sneaky way to get around the law. It's a sneaky way to get a pay raise. It's a sneaky way to avoid paying taxes on your income. It's a sneaky way to enrich yourself from the hard working taxpayers.

Secondly, they will be working less than three months this year. I would say that $31,000.00 is a very generous amount to be earning for three months of work, wouldn’t you? In fact, it is not uncommon for many lawmakers to maintain second jobs outside of their work in Saint Paul.

Third, they knew how much job paid when they ran for the office. That is kind of like someone moving next to an airport and then complaining about the noise.

Fourth, it goes against the notion of a citizen legislature. This isn’t supposed to be a career. In fact, many would argue that entrenched career politicians (of both parties) are exactly what is wrong with both Washington and Saint Paul.

In New Hampshire, just to give you some perspective, lawmakers are paid $100 per year. I’m not sure how much our city council members in Eden Prairie get, but I’m sure it well under $31,000.00 per year.


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 10, 2008 - 12:28pm.

Peter, the local issue...

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Peter, the local issue is:

The Eden Prairie News called republiCon Al Bode's letter "Election Safeguards".

On the GOP website, you changed that to "Maria Ruud Protects Vote Fraud". and also claimed Reprinted from Eden Prairie News, Letters to the Editor, Thursday, June 01, 2006

If not a lie, Peter, what is it? That certainly isn't factually correct, and it certainly isn't the truth.

When The Eden Prairie News complained, rather than apologizing, fixing the distortion, and moving on, the GreedOverPrinciples website left the distortion, but then claimed "as published in the Sun newspaper."

It was ONLY after Lyn Jerde at the Sun newspaper also complained that the GreedOverPrinciples website corrected the distortion.

I'd like everyone reading this, to be very, Very, VERY clear on this: the GreedOverPrinciples party only fixed the distortion because they HAD to.

And Peter here, an official of the local GreedOverPrinciples party, still refuses to admit this distortion, let alone apologize for it.

And Peter continues to distort the Per Diem issue, by trying to blame the DFL for the increase in pier diem payments to legislators, even though Hann and Paulsen are two of the biggest pigs at the trough.

Which only goes to show, once again, why anything said by local GOP officials is suspect, at best.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 10, 2008 - 1:06pm.

Tommy, once again, you need...

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Tommy, once again, you need to learn to keep your posts respectful and on topic.

The topic is per diems. Can you tell me specifically what is on the SD42 website about per diems that is a lie?

And, once again, the namecalling! Pigs? Republicons? Go clean the spittle off your keyboard!

Vamma, this is your blog. What do want to talk about now? Minimum wage? Sounds like Tommy wants to talk about vote fraud. Are we done with per diems?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 10, 2008 - 1:28pm.

Peter, you should pull that...

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Peter, you should pull that log out of your eye and clean your website of namecalling and ugly language.

It's ironic how you like to call names, but object when it's done to you.

Your tactics remind me of a bully, Peter. Well, and a hypocrite, too.

As far as staying on topic, this thread's topic is "Truth In Politics", which is something you have proven over and Over and OVER you are simply unable to do.

Since you ignored this the first time, I'll repost it:

Peter, the local issue is:

The Eden Prairie News called republiCon Al Bode's letter "Election Safeguards".

On the GOP website, you changed that to "Maria Ruud Protects Vote Fraud". and also claimed Reprinted from Eden Prairie News, Letters to the Editor, Thursday, June 01, 2006

If not a lie, Peter, what is it? That certainly isn't factually correct, and it certainly isn't the truth.

Quite frankly, Peter, your spinning is amusing, and your faux offense at being accruately labeled a republiCon is hypocritical.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 10, 2008 - 1:48pm.

Tommy, again, you need to be...

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Tommy, again, you need to be specific.

Where on this website do I call anyone a name?

Where on this website do you find anyone calling anyone else a pig? Or a Republicon? Or Boy Blunder? Or anything close?

Again, if you want to be more effective, if you want to actually persuade people instead of simply subjecting others to your venom, you can make the same points, the same arguments without the ugly names and without calling people liars and cheats.

The only instance of name-calling you have cited so far is that you once said that I described someone's political philosophy as socialist.

OK -- So I ask you again: What do you understand the word socialist to mean? How do you define the term? How does your personal philosophy differ from socialism?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 10, 2008 - 1:58pm.

Go fish, Peter. You are...

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Go fish, Peter. You are desperately spinning away from having to admit the distortions on the GreedOverPrinciples website.

Why do you find it so hard to admit what you did was wrong?


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 10, 2008 - 2:07pm.

Titles of letters are...

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Titles of letters are usually not the creation of the letter writer. The editor of the paper usually composes a letter title as short description of what is to follow. You will often see the same exact letter in two different newspapers with two totally different titles.

Nevertheless, no one has the right to change the title of a letter. Not me, not you, not anyone. The letter, including the title, is the property of the newspaper and, if reprinted, should not be changed in any way. If commentary is added, it should be clear that it is separate from the letter.

So, if such a thing occurs on a website, the proper procedure is to send an email to the website and a have the error corrected. It sounds like that indeed happened in this case.

I disagree, however, that the alternate title was a distortion. Most people are very surprised when they learn they can go to a polling place and all they have to do is say "Hi – I’m Tommy Johnson" and they are allowed to vote. No ID required.

You need ID to board an airplane, rent a video, apply for social security, purchase beer, and cash a check. But not for voting. Why?

It seems like a very low cost method to prevent voter fraud. In fact half the states currently require some sort of ID for voting. But not Minnesota. Why?

A 2005 commission led by Republican James Baker and Democrat Jimmy Carter took on the task of finding ways to stop vote fraud. One of their top recommendations: Require ID for voting. In other words, according to that bipartisan commission, a vote against showing ID is indeed a vote FOR vote fraud.

So – like per diems – we need to look at the vote. Who in the Minnesota legislature voted for showing ID and who opposed it. Who is in favor of vote fraud and who is trying to stop it? You can see the vote by clicking here.

This issue is especially timely now. The U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments this week on whether Indiana's voter ID law is constitutional. The battle pits Republican (and former Minnesota Secretary of State) Mary Kiffmeyer on the side of showing ID and liberal DFLer Keith Ellison on the side that says it's unconstitutional to have such a requirement. The early betting is that Kiffmeyer will be the winner.

Finally -- and I add this just as aside because opinion polls don't necessarily make me right and you wrong -- a majority of rank-and-file Democrats agree with ME. Among all Americans, the margin is 77 percent for to 18 percent against.

Americans -- again to use your ugly language -- Republicons, Democraps, everyone -- want ID to be shown for voting.

So, again, if I say that someone who opposed showing ID is, in fact, on the side of vote fraud, I am reflecting not only my opinion, but the opinion of a majority of Americans.

OK, Tommy, now I've answered your question. Now you need to answer mine. What is the definition of a socialist and how does your personal political philosophy differ from socialism?


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 10, 2008 - 3:06pm.

May I jump in here? Peter,...

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May I jump in here?

Peter, the issue, to me personally is frustrating. I believe everyone would like to stop voter fraud. I totally understand and agree with the 77% figure that you quote, in fact, it could be a little low. But. Here is the big but.

We need to standardize voting across the country. Period. Everyone should have to utilize the same type of voting identification. Everyone should have to prove their citizenship status to vote. Everyone should vote on the same type of machine with the same type of ballot that would ensure that each and every legal vote is counted. There should be no disenfranchisement of any minority - for whatever reason. We need to ensure that easily accessible, protected voting machines are available nationwide so that everyone can vote in a timely manner. No one should be forced to stand in long lines for hours to vote. It shouldn't matter if you live in Eden Prairie or West Palm Beach, Florida where the wait was 3 hours long in 2004.

That being said. What is an acceptable voting id? Mary Kiffmeyer wanted to eliminate use of tribal id's. Many American Indians living on reservations do not need driver's licenses so their tribal id's are their only form of id. Would they need to purchase for additional cost a state issued id? We can't use driver's licenses because 7 states (if it's not 8) allow illegal aliens to apply for and receive driver's licenses. My elderly grandmother never drove a car, never had a driver's license, never had a formal id. She died at 101 having voted in every election ever held in her small town in the hills of North Carolina. Will we require everyone who wishes to vote to purchase a $97 US Passport? If yes, talk about the hassles the passport agency will face then! They couldn't handle the rush last year when passports were required to fly to Mexico for the first time!

Personally speaking. We need to handle some of the process issues involved in our voting process before requiring some generic identification of all citizens wishing to vote.


Submitted by West Metro Dem on January 10, 2008 - 3:24pm.

You're wasting your time,...

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You're wasting your time, trying to have a discussion with Peter.

He's very well aware the objection to the ID Bill the GOPers keep trying to shove down Minnesot'a throat is that the courts have consistently found it a form of an illegal poll-tax.

Not to mention, no one - to my knowledged - has ever found a problem with voter impersonation, which showing an ID would allegedly stop.

In other words, the GOP is trying to create a crisis where none exists. But, let's take a look at their "Ya gotta show an ID" analogy, and replace it with THIS one:

"Every time I stick my credit card in the gas pump, I get a receipt. Every time I get cash from the ATM, I get a receipt. Every time I use my credit card at a liquor store, I get a receipt. So how come republiCons don't care that Diebold's vote-counting machines don't give receipts?"

WMD, Peter - as usual - is using projection and deflection; he's distorting the need for an ID in order TO vote while ignoring the need for a paper trail in order to COUNT the vote.

Peter knows this.

And it's just another reason why you cannot have an honest coversation with Peter; Peter's simply unable to doing so.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 10, 2008 - 4:15pm.

Go fish, Peter. Why do you...

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Go fish, Peter. Why do you continue to spin?

Here's what you just posted: So, if such a thing occurs on a website, the proper procedure is to send an email to the website and a have the error corrected. It sounds like that indeed happened in this case.

I disagree, however, that the alternate title was a distortion.

The Eden Prairie News AND The Sun disagree with you, Peter. Both newspapers printed the following Letter to the Editor; the following is from the Sun:

Reprint is distorted

(Created: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:52 PM CDT)

| Text Size | Print Version | E-mail This Story

To the editor:

Judging by a recent letters to the editor, "Voter ID" bill (HF 1443) is not fully understood. As with most bills introduced for consideration, this bill was complex. First introduced by Republican Rep. Tom Emmer on March 3, 2005, it was not passed until this spring, after much debate.

If anyone should understand the complexities of such a bill, it should be an official of a political party, such as Al Bode, a vice chair of Senate District 42 Republicans.

Mr. Bode's letter (published June 1) questioned Democratic Rep. Maria Ruud's vote on this bill. Rather than discussing the merits of the debate, Mr. Bode chose to ask simplistic, rhetorical questions that did not accurately reflect the nature of the debate. Mr. Bode did not identify himself as a Republican party official. The effects of this letter are to distort the nature of the debate and have the casual reader assume an average citizen wrote this letter. Quite frankly, this is dirty politics.

More disturbingly, the Republican Web site for District 42 reprinted Mr. Bode's letter as it appeared in the Sun Newspapers, but with a different headline. That is distortion.

When something is posted as a reprint on a political party's Web site, there should be the presumption that it's reprinted accurately. Sadly, with the Republican District 42 Web site, such a presumption would be wrong.

Tom Johnson

Eden Prairie

Tom Johnson recently sought the DFL endorsement for U.S. Representative in District 3.

http://www.mnsun.com/articles/2006/06/29/opinion/fw29johnson.txt

Now, as you admit, the newspaper picked the headline, not me.

And what did the newspaper call what the GreedOverPriniciples party did, Peter?

"Reprint is distorted"

Why do you find it so hard to be truthful, Peter?


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 10, 2008 - 3:28pm.

Good comments, WMD! Once...

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Good comments, WMD! Once again, you are thoughtful, respectful, and cogent. What a contrast!

All of the things you recommend can and should be addressed. Any unreasonable hardship that comes between a citizen and the ballot box should be removed.

The cost of ID’s? Make them free. In fact that is exactly what the Indiana law (currently before the Supreme court) does.

Non-citizens getting ID? Ineligible felons getting ID? Require voting status on the ID.

Long lines? I can’t help you with that one. Get to the polls at 6:30 AM maybe? I don’t know. I’ve been an election judge in the past and all I can say is: We do our best to keep things moving.

The Carter-Baker Commission actually proposed 87 recommendations. Showing ID was one. They also recommended that all voting machines leave a paper trail that would allow people to check their votes.

Let me say this as a Republican: on this issue, Jimmy Carter is Right.

Without showing ID, in-person fraud is nearly impossible to detect. And you mention the word "disenfranchisement". Every vote that is cast by someone ineligible to vote in fact disenfranchises your vote and my vote and everyone else’s.

So we can add disenfranchisement as yet another reason to vote FOR showing ID.

In Washington State’s disputed governor’s race in 2004, for example, there was a razor thin 129 vote margin. It was later determined that ineligible felons and votes had been cast in the name of the dead. The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported that there were 737 confirmed cases of dead people voting.

How do you think 737 dead people voting affects our democracy?

In Florida, where the 2000 election is still in dispute (according to some people), there are 65,000 dead people still on the voter rolls. That's an open invitation to fraud.

In California, my hero, B-1 Bob Dornan lost a close race to Maria Sanchez. An INS investigation later showed that 4,023 people voted illegally in that election.

A New York Daily News investigation found that in 2006 some 400-1,000 voters actually registered and voted twice.

In Milwaukee, a state that narrowly went to Kerry in 2004, investigators found that 200 felons voted and 100 people voted twice.

Vote fraud undermines democracy. Our democracy only works if people trust that the results they see on Wednesday morning are the truth. Every time a vote is cast fraudulently, it hurts democracy; it hurts our confidence that our collective voice is being accurately represented.

In his book, "Turning Point," Jimmy Carter wrote of his race for Georgia State Senate in 1962, which involved a corrupt local sheriff who had cast votes for the dead. It took a recount and court intervention before Mr. Carter was declared the winner.


Submitted by sd42webmaster on January 10, 2008 - 4:44pm.

Your comments on Jimmy...

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Your comments on Jimmy Carter's book are excellent. I absolutely love President Carter. My very Republican mother sincerely believes that he was too smart to be president to this day.

Speaking of disenfranchisement. One issue to be standardized is who can vote. In some states having paid a debt to society a former felon has his/her voting rights reinstated. Other states do not do this. This needs to be standardized.

I would go one step further. I would seriously suggest that everyone wishing to vote register upon turning 18 and a nationally standardized voter id number be issued. Without that number (and the attendant voter identification card), a citizen cannot vote.

I agree that dead people should stay buried - whether in Chicago or New York City. I would also agree that felons should not vote if their state law does not allow it.

Voter fraud should be stopped and the first step in stopping it is standardizing the process of voting nationwide and establishing validity in the results produced - paper trails included.

Please note - I am not against showing id to vote. I am all for it. But, we need to establish what is acceptable id to produce and put in place a process by which everyone can receive one in a timely manner.

I am all for everyone voting and having each legitimate vote counted. I'm also for setting national standards on how we vote and what we use to vote. Every auditor understands an audit trail. It shouldn't be too much to ask to have standardized audit trails available for every race to validate results.

If we can validate who votes and how they vote, we will have a stronger democracy.

I'd say that by now you've figured out that Dems all have different opinions on these issues....*smile*


Submitted by West Metro Dem on January 10, 2008 - 4:47pm.

Could we please muzzle...

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Could we please muzzle Tommy? He is irrational and quite frankly, a bit scary.


Submitted by Gino G on January 10, 2008 - 11:04pm.

Peter, You have consistently...

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Peter,

You have consistently side-stepped directly responding to the original intent of the post, which is whether Hann’s vote was diametrically opposed to his eventual actions.

You also continue to make inaccurate and false comparisons. In fact the council’s stipend has been raised from time to time. I don’t’ think anyone would compare the two positions.

According to what you’ve said, this makes Hann’s action even more detestable, especially to you, Republicans. How do you feel about that?

If Hann knew about how much the job paid, why did he take a pay raise that would be so abhorent to his fellow Republicans? And in fact, according to what you’ve said, he’s the one cheating taxpayers, isn’t he?


Submitted by vamma on January 11, 2008 - 8:12am.

Gino- You've been officially...

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Gino-

You've been officially muzzled. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the conversation, please don't post anymore.


Submitted by vamma on January 11, 2008 - 8:14am.

Don't forget Paulsen. He,...

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Don't forget Paulsen. He, too, voted against it before he profited from it.

I 'd like to point out that after a concerned citizen wrote the Letter To The Editor that I posted previously, Hann responded with a commentary piece that I cannot find. I do remember that Hann more or less accused the letter writer of being "misleading."

Although I can't find a copy of Hann's commentary, I do, however, have a copy of the rebuttal to Hann's commentary that was published here, by our gracious hosts, The Eden Prairie News!

So, without any more ado, here's a rebuttal to when Hann tried to dodge the "I was against it before I profited from it' criticism:

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Per diem debate continues

Sen. [David] Hann complains my letter is misleading because I looked at per diem expenses of only a few Minnesota representatives. Appropriate when submitting them to the local Eden Prairie News, as opposed to the Star Tribune. Eden Prairie is the town he represents, along with two other representatives. It happens two are Republicans who seem to have excessive per diems and a Democrat who uses per diem sparingly. Mr. Hann says his compensation was no greater than other senators, the Abramoff excuse. The "It's OK, everyone is doing it" excuse of a child. It's time to grow up and take responsibility for your actions.

Hann cites a representative who used more additional compensation: Sen. LeRoy Stumpf from Plummer, Minn. Sen. Hann took $10,931, Sen. Stumpf took $40,042. Sen. Hann is a freshman senator, Sen. Stumpf is a seventh term senator, chair of the K-12 Education Budget, 42 percent of the total state budget. Sen. Hann lives in Eden Prairie and drives about 24 miles, taking about 32 minutes. Sen. Stumpf lives in Plummer, 310 miles away, which takes, with good weather, five hours and 26 minutes. Sen. Hann is able to sleep at home and can eat both breakfast and dinner at home. Sen. Stumpf must live in a hotel during session and does not have the option of going home to eat. Shame on you, Sen. Hann, for comparing the amount you took to Sen. Stumpf. I compared you to your Eden Prairie colleagues; who's misleading?

My article had two parts, first comparing Eden Prairie representatives to each other, the second comparing their per diem to the minimum wage. Sen. Hann may be another "compassionate conservative" showing his true colors. He responded with passion about his pay. Sen. Hann never said a word showing compassion for families on minimum wage.

Per diem is a small part of the state budget, but a good way to measure priorities. I find the direction Mr. Hann and Mr. Paulsen are leading us to be the wrong direction.

Twenty years ago Minnesota was a shining example of progressive ideals in action. Today we are a state heading backwards to the dark ages when conservative church values interfered with the direction of government.

John Mallo
Eden Prairie
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David Hann, misleading citizens.

No surprise there!

My "favorite" David Hann moment is when he claimed former Republican Governor Arne Carlson was proof positive (or some such thing) of the inclusiveness of the GOP.

ROFLMAO!!!

The only reason Carlson was on the ballot for Governor is because a hypocritical, "Family Values" republiCon candidate, Jon Grunseth, got caught skinny dipping in a pool with his teenage daughter's friends. Carlson was a last minute addition, who appealed to all cititzens - because Arne Carlson is a decent guy.

So Carlson wins, and governs by the consent of the people. It's time for his re-election, and do you think the reasonable people running the GOP would endorse incumbent Republican Governor Arne Carlson?

OF COURSE NOT!!! There aren't "reasonable people" running the GOP!!!

These rightwingnuts ignored the fine job, bi-partisanship, and high popularity of incumbent Republican Governor Arne Carlson, and endorsed another republiCon, Allen Quist.

(for background on Allen Quist, the following was published in August, 1994:
http://www.e-democracy.org/1994/other/Strib_profiles/QUIST_profile.html

Arne Carlson, being an honest, honorable, and reasonable man, beat republiCon-endorsed Allen Quist in the Republican Primary, and easily won re-election.

Which is why Hann's claim that Carlson represents the "inclusiveness" of GreedOverPriniciples party is so laughable - a moderate, popular, successful, and incumbent Republican Governor who worked in a bi-partisan manner couldn't even get the GOP endorsement for second term.

This is just one more reason reasonable people simply cannt take what the GOP LEADERSHIP says, at face value: for far too long, they have simply misled and distorted.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 11, 2008 - 9:55am.

Vamma, perhaps you could...

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Vamma, perhaps you could post a fact checker from some other publication besides the Washington Post? The Post is famous for it's ultra liberal editorial board. Are you posting under more than one screen name?


Submitted by Gino G on January 11, 2008 - 9:22pm.

Gino, Vamma is the...

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Gino,

Vamma is the edenpprairiefactchecker. I have not posted using that screen name. But, will drop the Vamma and only post with the other. We are the same.

Everyone can post a fact along with the URL and we can discuss it.

I will be posting something from another source today.


Submitted by vamma on January 12, 2008 - 3:21pm.

edenpprairiefactchecker The...

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edenpprairiefactchecker

The following facts in the next post come from the source below:

www.fact.check.org

About FactCheck.org
We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.
The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.
The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 12, 2008 - 4:07pm.

edenpprairiefactchecker Myrtl...

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edenpprairiefactchecker

Myrtle Beach Blarney
January 11, 2008
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/myrtle_beach_blarney.html

"We note more falsehoods and distortions as Republicans debate for the third time in a week.

Summary
Another debate, another round of fact-checking. The GOP meeting in South Carolina was the third for Republican candidates in a week, but they haven’t run out of exaggerations or misstatements:

Romney claimed Massachusetts gained jobs "every single month" he was governor after hitting a low point. In fact the job gains seesawed, with seven of 36 months producing job losses.

Huckabee escalated his misleading claims about cutting taxes, saying he cut taxes for the first time in the history of the state of Arkansas, which is untrue. Others put through tax cuts before he did. Overall, Huckabee raised taxes.

Romney falsely claimed to have been endorsed by the Massachusetts Right to Life Association. Actually, he was endorsed by a single chapter of a different group.

Thompson, accusing Huckabee of Democratic tendencies, said he’d been endorsed by the National Education Association. But he was actually endorsed only by the New Hampshire chapter of that nationwide teacher’s organization.

Huckabee claimed that highways in Arkansas had gone from the "worst road system in the country" to the "most improved" in the ratings of a trucking magazine. He failed to mention that despite the improvement they remained fourth from the bottom on the "worst" list.

Giuliani asserted that cutting the corporate tax rate "will get more revenues." Unlike his earlier supply-side claims, he can point this time to an economic study suggesting that he might be right, but it’s not a certainty."

The Other White Meat

McCain again said that he had "never asked for or received a pork barrel project or earmark for my state." We previously wrote about three gray areas from McCain’s past that could be considered earmarks by some. But Citizens Against Government Waste told us that McCain’s actions in all three incidents were not requests for earmarks. We have now consulted Taxpayers for Common Sense, another watchdog group, which agrees with that assessment. Vice President Steve Ellis told us: "Plain and simple. The red flag about McCain getting earmarks is really red herring."

Tell us who you think will win the Republican nomination?

Eden Prairie Fact Checker picks McCain


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 12, 2008 - 4:16pm.

edenpprairiefactchecker http:...

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edenpprairiefactchecker

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nh_debate_the_dems_turn.html

N.H. Debate: The Dems' Turn
January 6, 2008
When the going gets tough, the tough get misleading.

Summary
During the Democratic portion of the Jan. 5 New Hampshire debate:

"Obama claimed we are "back where we started two years ago" in Iraq. Actually, all indicators of violence show dramatic improvement compared with two years ago.

Clinton repeated a misleading claim that the 2005 energy bill was "larded with all kinds of special interest breaks" for the oil industry. Actually, the bill resulted in a net increase in taxes on the oil industry, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service.

Obama stated that U.S. medical care costs "twice as much per capita as any other advanced nation," which is incorrect. U.S. spending is double the average, but not double that of all others.

Clinton said there is no reason that U.S. troops should be in Iraq "beyond today," but she has also conceded that she might keep combat troops fighting there for years."

Tell us who you think will win the Democratic Nomination?

Eden Prairie Fact Checker picks Clinton


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 12, 2008 - 4:23pm.

The Eden Prairie Fact...

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The Eden Prairie Fact Checker: Truth in Politics

Become a more informed voter by searching information about the candidates from different sources. This list is from an industry web site whose interests focus on business-

politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/
Features recent votes, news quotes, and YouTubed speeches.

www.ontheissues.org
Lists where politicians from Al Sharpton to Tommy Thompson stand on the issues.

www.pewforum.org/issues/
Offers candidate profiles, voting records, and the most-recent opinion polls.

www.forbes.com/candidates
Examines the candidates’ stances as they relate to big business.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 13, 2008 - 12:50pm.

The Eden Prairie Fact...

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The Eden Prairie Fact Checker: Truth in Politics

How green is your candidate:

www.grist.org
A non-profit environmental group

http://www.lcv.org/
League of Conservation Voters

www.nrdc.org
Natural Resources Defense Council

http://www.nrdc.org/reference/environGroups.asp
Large list of environmental groups posted at the NRDC


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 13, 2008 - 1:01pm.

The Eden Prairie Fact...

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The Eden Prairie Fact Checker: Truth in Politics

Conservatism going, going, gone?

Check out this article at....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/11/AR200801...

Here are some excerpts that should incite some discussion?

"Conservatism, quite simply, is a mess these days. Conservative attitudes are changing. Or, more accurately, the attitudes of people who call themselves conservatives are changing."

The most cited data to prove this point come from the Pew Political Typology survey. By 2005, it had found that so many self-described conservatives were in favor of government activism that they had to come up with a name for them. "Running-dog liberals" apparently seemed too pejorative, so the survey went with "pro-government conservatives," a term that might have caused Ronald Reagan to spontaneously combust. This group makes up just under 10 percent of registered voters and something like a third of the Republican coalition. Ninety-four percent of pro-government conservatives favored raising the minimum wage, as did 79 percent of self-described social conservatives. Eight out of 10 pro-government conservatives believe that the government should do more to help the poor and slightly more than that distrust big corporations."

"There's more evidence elsewhere. As former Bush speechwriter David Frum documents in his new book, "Comeback," income taxes are no longer a terribly serious concern among conservative voters. Young Christian conservatives and others are increasingly eager to bring a faith-based activism to government. As the conservative commentator Ramesh Ponnuru recently noted in Time, younger evangelicals are more likely to oppose abortion than their parents were, but they are also more likely to look kindly on government-run anti-poverty programs and environmental protection. Even President Bush (in)famously proclaimed in 2003 that "when somebody hurts, government has got to move."

"This is a far cry from the days when Reagan proclaimed in his first inaugural address that "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem," and vowed to "curb the size and influence of the federal establishment."

"The center of the right does not hold, and so we see an army with many flags and many generals and nobody knows who goes with which.

In other words, there's a huge crowd of self-described conservatives standing around the Republican elephant shouting "Do something!" But what they want the poor beast to do is very unclear. And it doesn't take an expert in pachyderm psychology to know that if a big enough mob shouts at an elephant long enough, the most likely result will be a mindless stampede -- in this case, either to general election defeat or to disastrously unconservative policies, or both."

Read on at....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/11/AR200801...


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 13, 2008 - 4:05pm.

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Pawlenty, an opportunist or a real environmentalist?

The word is going around. Pawlenty may be a possible contender for the Republican VP spot and it looks like he’s been raising his profile for the last several years.

A February 2005 ABC News feature about presidential buzz surrounding the governor noted that "two people familiar with his political planning, said that Pawlenty wants to expand his political profile with the hopes of landing on a short list for president--or potentially for vice president or Senate candidate."

The problem? No national profile. So, what did Pawlenty do? Create one, by attaching himself to national issues, like the environment.

Pawlenty’s ploy explains his recent transformation to environmental consciousness. Pawlenty just announced that during the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis this year, all the attendees would be driving around in American made hybrid cars.

An example of the contradiction within Pawlenty's environmental policies is his own administration's lack of support for environmental resources, particularly from 2002 to 2005.

Back in 2003, City Pages called Minnesota “The Land of the Turd Brown Waters.” Pawlenty promised rectification of environmental programs in his inauguration speech. But, his budget proposals cut 20% funding for the MPCA, and eliminated a local water management and planning program and other environmental funding. Intense opposition in the Minnesota House got Pawlenty to restore two-thirds of the program funding.

http://citypages.com/databank/24/1178/article11355.asp

According to MEP, the Minnesota Environmental Partnership, Pawlenty “has allowed an erosion of environmental-protection policy that actually started before he took office.”

The Minn Post reported that “Minnesota's natural resources budgets have slipped to a dismal one percent of the state budget, despite widespread public support for natural resources protection. “

http://www.minnpost.com/ronway/2008/01/07/506/some_new_--_and_old_--_ide...

In the past environmentalists have criticized him for not following through on his promises, but now that’s he’s in the national spotlight they are waiting to see how he’s going to handle the "current $316 million bonding request for a variety of environmental projects that will come up in 2008. There’s also going to be a "push for a state wide ballot on a constitutional amendment to expand the sales tax to increase natural resources and arts funding by $300M annually."

Minn Post reports that “The Governor wants to spend upwards of $70 million for Vermilion State Park at a time when there's a $100 million spending backlog to maintain what's already in the parks system. Park spending is down 38 percent and spending on trails has spiraled to all-time lows during Pawlenty's administration.”

Judy Erickson, a lobbyist for the Minnesota Parks and Trails Council said it was “the first time in years that parks or trails achieved any attention.”

http://www.minnpost.com/ronway/2008/01/10/540/pawlentys_plan_for_new_sta...

The Star Tribune reported in October 2007 that for Pawlenty, "the oft-mentioned vice presidential candidate, a trip with environmentalist Wil Steger to the North Pole could further boost his national standing." In January of 2006 Steger addressed the House and Senate on climate change and began private conversations with the governor's office. Steger’s trip is scheduled for March-June 2008, but no mention of Pawlenty joining.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/11761251.html

Environmentalism has never been on the top of the Republican’s priority list and Pawlenty’s interest in global warming is new to most of us. In 2005 he cut $20 million or 9% from conservation and the environment.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/2005/03/budget/view_gover...

In a recent appearance on Lou Dobbs, Pawlenty addressed the possible Independent candidate for President this way, “Good to hang with you sweet Lou.” The Strib would have referred to this as the Governor’s penchant for the grand gesture.

Some in his own party have referred to his recent environmental proposals as "feel-good politics" that "did nothing for the environment."

According to Steven Schier, a political science professor at Carlton College, "like a lot of crafty politicians who lack money and votes and face a hostile Legislature, he goes to the symbolically popular." But, because he seems to be thinking about the "national stage, he is making himself visible in a positive way that will get good press attention."

http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/12379461.html

Considering the political environment in 2008, an even year bonding session, a dismal state of the revenue forecast, the high profile results needed to gain enough recognition for some national political standing and a DFL controlled Legislature, Minnesota’s “Turd Brown Waters” could become the land of sky blue waters, again.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 15, 2008 - 3:57pm.

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If there's anyone that knows how to read tea leaves, it's Gov. Pawlenty.

And I say that in a positive way; in order for an effective leader to govern, by the consent of the people, you have to know what the people want.

Gov. Pawlenty clearly has demonstrated the ability and skills to listen and respond to the wants of the people.

NOTE: I did not say he "positively responds" to those "wants of the people"; in many cases, the exact opposite is true. But, make no mistake - Governor Pawlenty has a firm grasp on the pulse of the governed.

And Gov. Pawlenty's not afraid to take unpopular posititons; unpopular with the electorate, the state GOP Party, and even the National GOP. Those that pay attention will remember Gov. Pawlenty's prescription drug re-importation work, which was EXCEEDINGLY unpopular with the misAdministration of Bush The Lesser.

What makes Gov. Pawlenty unique, is even when making an unpopular decision, he has the skills to remain personally popular. T-Paw is simply a likeable guy, even when doing unlikeable things.

Locally, Mayor Young and Council Members Aho and Duckstad should pay attention - they have made unpopular decisions but apparently do not have the skills to remain personally popular.

If an election were held tomorrow, smart money would be on Gov. Pawlenty retaining his position, with three new members on the City Council.


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 16, 2008 - 8:54am.

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Per Diems come without political-partisanship, strings or policy mandates. Do we like them or not?

Would we rather have Big Oil and the Tobacco Industry buying our Representatives dinners, gas and living expenses or do we want to compensate elected officials with a cost of living stipend ourselves, knowing that those tax dollars can’t affect policy and can’t be partisan?

According to the NTU, NTUF the National Taxpayers Union, per diems are just another way government picks taxpayers’ pockets.

The NTU says, “But the real slap in the face to taxpayers is the fact that the U.S. Congress does not even have to cast a recorded vote to receive their $165 per diem. All that is necessary is for the House Administration Committee – which happens to be made up of Members of Congress – to declare that they and their colleagues are eligible to receive it.”

http://www.ntu.org/main/press_release.php?PressID=187&org_name=NTU

Associated Content, “The People’s Media site, which is a join and publish your own content media center where the people create content for other not-so-happy with the mainstream media types, published this piece about Congressional remuneration:

“Let's find out who really wants to be a 'public servant' at their own expense! No more fat expense accounts, free health insurance, or pensions. A living wage, yes, but the other perks should be done away with, permanently.

Without lifetime pensions and healthcare, how many of our leaders would aspire to a career in politics? When our Constitution was drafted by the Founding Fathers, they never anticipated professional politicians, only public servants who would volunteer time to their country because that was the honorable and right thing to do...”

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/81167/rescind_health_insurance_...

Well, things can drastically change every couple of hundred years. The framers of the Constitution received their health care very differently, inexpensively, informally and crudely. If we had lived all these years by the medical where-with-all the framers lived by, many of us would not be around today… But, she’s really answered her own question. How many of our elected officials, from either party, want to be like the public servants of old, who served because it was the right thing to do? It’s safe to say, none of them would.

According to a Findlaw article on Regulating Congressional Pay, it took 200 years to finally rediscover and ratify the congressional pay amendment: the 27th Amendment to the Constitution that originated back when the States ratified the Constitution. This amendment lay dormant until the 1980s. But, the “provision is now part of the constitution and it allows for an almost automatic cost-of-living increase in pay to Members of Congress.”

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment27/

The MN Senate amendment authored by Republicans back in 2005 to prohibit Per Diems failed. But, in 2007, when it came up again there was an entirely different out-come, which cleared the Senate Rules Committee by a unanimous bipartisan vote, which easily passed the Senate.

http://minnesota.akamai.publicradio.org/display/web/2007/02/21/perdiem/

Well, at least in Minnesota it didn’t take 200 years to give representatives the right to a cost of living increase. So, what changed? In 2005 Republicans voted against a Per Diem; in 2007 they voted for it. Here’s an explanation of compensation from the MN House:

“The Minnesota Constitution provides that legislators’ compensation is set by law. The annual salary for representatives and senators is $31,140. The House and the Senate each can designate three leadership positions to receive up to 140 percent of the compensation of other members of the legislature (this is an additional $12,456 per year).

The most recent salary increase for legislators was 5 percent in January 1999. The constitution also says that “no increase of compensation shall take effect during the period for which the members of the existing House of Representatives may have been elected.” Because the constitution says that legislators’ salaries are set “by law,” the governor can veto legislation setting legislators’ compensation.

In addition to salary, legislators are eligible to receive a per diem payment when engaged in official business. The House rate is $77 per day and the Senate rate $96 per day. “

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/issinfo/sseloffcomp.htm#Q3

So what did change Republicans minds in 2007?


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 16, 2008 - 6:10pm.

Well, I don't know if "we"...

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Well, I don't know if "we" like them or not, but I do know this: the local republiCons can't make up their minds.

On the home page of the local republiCons, it says this:

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DFL LEGISLATURE SETS PER DIEM SPENDING RECORD -- Minnesota lawmakers have set a record in 2007 and the proof was in their paychecks. 5 Eyewitness News has learned that last year, State Representatives and Senators took home more than $2 million above their annual salaries. Click here to find out how your legislator voted on increasing their pay.
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http://www.mngop.com/sd42/welcome.html

Clearly, the local republiCons are trying to blame the DFL for the Per Diem pay increase. What's the problem with that, a reasonable person might ask?

Well, let me answer! Further in the local republiCon website, it says this!

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The following article appeared in the Minneapolis Star Tribune 01/10/2007:

State legislators get healthy expense raises

Lawmakers gave themselves a big bumps in their daily expense and housing allowances. DFL and GOP leaders defended the raises.

By Conrad Defiebre, Star Tribune

DFLers and Republicans in the Minnesota Legislature joined forces Wednesday to raise their major expense allowances, sparking complaints of elected representatives putting their own needs above those of the citizenry....

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In both committees, minority Republicans offered motions to raise the expense limits. After the Senate hikes were approved on a voice vote, Minority Leader David Senjem, R-Rochester, labeled them "not unreasonable" and "a nice adjustment making service in the Senate a little more economically reasonable."

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http://www.mngop.com/sd42/dfl_pay_raise.html

Let's recap: front page of website, local republiCons blame DFL; further in website, acknowledge front page is incorrect!

Now, a reasonable person might wonder why the local republiCons are only blaming the DFL on the home page, when on a different page they acknowledge both parties participated in raising the Per Diem.

Can't these guys make up their minds, or what?

Well, one conclusion a reasonable person could arrive at, is that this is simply one more reason why you simply cannot trust the local republiCon LEADERSHIP.

After all, if the Republican Leader in the senate thinks it's "not unreasonable", why do the local republiCons use the issue as a wedge?


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 16, 2008 - 6:42pm.

So now there are actually...

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So now there are actually three questions:

1. What made local Republicans in the legislature change their minds about the per diem from 2005 to 2007?

2. Why are local Republicans using it as a wedge issue?

3. Why did the local Republican webmaster disavow the facts?


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 16, 2008 - 8:26pm.

Well, the answer to #2 could...

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Well, the answer to #2 could be: to deflect attention away from the behavior of David Hann, and Erik Paulsen, who voted against it, before they profited from it.

Quite simply, it sure looks like the local republiCon LEADERSHIP doesn't think people pay attention.

Otherwise, why would they place the blame solely on the DFL on their home page, but show that BOTH PARTIES were responsible on an inside page?


Submitted by twoputttommy on January 16, 2008 - 8:49pm.

The Fact Checker: Truth in...

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The Fact Checker: Truth in Politics
On to Campaign 2008....

Huckabee’s Record....sinful?

The Washington Post Fact-Checker gave Huckabee two Pinochios for exaggeration and selective use of statistics, for incorrectly espousing a record of taxes cuts, and for supporting a proposal that let illegal aliens benefit from in-state tuition rates.

If that wasn’t enough, a post responding to the information on Huckabee from the “Voiceof Reason” revealed that the conservative watchdog organization Judicial Watch put Huckabee on their Top Ten list of the most corrupt politicians in 2007. The Associated Press didn’t have many good things to say about him either. Read below:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/record_job_growth_un...

Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog organization who keeps track of political corruption, placed Mike Huckabee #6 on its list of the Top 10 most corrupt politicians in 2007.

According to The Associated Press: "[Huckabee's] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor's office."

http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-...
The above was posted by: VoiceOfReason | January 17, 2008 09:19 AM
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Obama and Clinton– surviving the media and Robert Novak?

The Democratic campaign is heating up with two top contenders trying to survive the zealousness of their staffs, media distortions and the likes of conservative Op-ed writer and political pundit, Robert Novak, who first reported the identity of Valerie Plame and soon disappeared from his regular anchor spot on CNN. Recently, he’s up to his old tricks defaming or should we say deplaming liberals, particularly if they’re Clintons, with a recognizable dirty-wash style of writing.

Fact-Checker gave each, Clinton and Obama a Pinocchio on Iraq: Clinton for taking information and quoting it out-of-context and Obama for overstating differences.

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Mitt Romney- Lapses of Memory?

Romney got two Pinocchios for what Fact-checker termed forgetting. While campaigning in Michigan Romney conveniently forgot what he told Massachusetts voters in 2002. Fact-Checker says it’s a big stretch for the Romney campaign to deny that he ever made such a proposal "to revamp vehicles excise taxes for more fuel efficient cars at the expense of guzzlers."

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Here’s how Fact- Checker rates two Pinocchios-

Significant omissions and/or exaggerations. Some factual error may be involved but not necessarily. A politician can create a false, misleading impression by playing with words and using legalistic language that means little to ordinary people.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 18, 2008 - 8:20am.

Liar, Liar, pants on Fire:...

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Liar, Liar, pants on Fire: truth in politics, an oxymoronic notion?

McCain’s campaign is highlighted by the oft repeated words, I’m telling the truth. Evidently there are voices within his own party that don’t abide by his brand of truth, the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Tom De Lay. Not exactly bastions of truth-telling themselves, they’re literally having conniption fits over McCain’s successes. It takes a lot of nerve, when you’ve fallen and can’t get up, to berate a candidate who’s the top contender in your own party. Has-been fortresses of Republicanism? It would seem the guard is changing.

Despite utter disunity within the party, one Republican is going to be elected at the National Republican Convention this summer.

According to Fox News, which has no Fact-Checker, but plenty of unsourced opinion columns, DeLay lambasted McCain for working with "the most liberal Democrats in the Senate," for passing an overhaul of campaign finance laws that "completely neutered the Republican Party," and single-handedly thwarting oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/19/AR200801...

In his winning speech to South Carolinians, McCain said, “In the course of this campaign, I have tried as best I could to tell people the truth – to tell them the truth about the challenges facing our country and how I intend to address them.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/19/AR200801...

Voters are ravenous for some “Straight Talk.” They’re fed up from the lack. Isn't it true that the media hasn’t demanded it from the White House’s current tenant? Has down home familiarity been so utterly convincing that truth has lost out to vernacular?

Well, truth has raised its grit this election season and candidates from both parties are talking about how truthful they are.

When Slate asked Obama’s aides for “examples from Obama's self-touted truth-telling, their reporter got one that didn't fit at all.”

Slate is unconvinced that Obama is telling “rank-and-file voters the hard truth.” Instead they term his "truth" as a sort of familiar pitch that receives a standard applause line.

http://www.slate.com/id/2182159/

Can Obama survive the truth-telling scrutiny anymore than his top opponent, Clinton or any of the candidates that remain? Slate doubts Obama is the straight-talker he professes to be. And Clinton’s truth telling ability is fraught with historical ramifications. Let’s not confuse her with the other Clinton.

According to an Associated Press poll done in March of 2007, “Hillary Clinton’s unwillingness to “disown” her past support for the Iraq war is creating confidence in her honesty and character among voters.” The Poll results were reported in the Huffington Post). Evidently 55% of voters said that honesty and character are more important than specific policy positions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070310/ap-poll-2008-traits/

The poll showed that character aces policy. There are a growing number of articles and polls on truth telling. It would seem truth has had a hard time coming to the forefront of an election. Can we thank the media for that? Well, the reverse could be true now. The media is over obsessed with truth, fact-finding attempts: they’re popping up all over the place, blogs, articles, commentaries, entire web sites…

At www.politifact.com , a St. Petersburg Florida based web site with a Truth-o-Meter, Rudy Giuliani recently won their truth check. Funny though, Rudy is the only candidate putting his all, money and time, into the Florida race.

Politifact says Romney is “ankle deep in lobbyists,” though the Republican candidate says he has “no lobbyists running his campaign.” Politifact says Hillary was correct when she said that Obama’s biggest contributors want to create a waste depository out of Yucca Mountain in Nevada.

Politifact even has a video song on You Tube called “Gimme the Truth,” ala Britney, and a “Pants on Fire” ruling for the worst offenders. There’s a wave of truth telling going on; can’t imagine how anyone could miss it.

Joe Biden’s claim that President Bush is brain dead got a “Pants on Fire” rating from Politifact. They called it an irresponsible claim and the wrong diagnosis. Here’s how Politifact responded: “Indeed, even people who disagree with the president about Iraq and assorted other issues will acknowledge that the president has spontaneous respiration and is responding to stimuli.”

You can browse their truth-o- meter and pick from a list of ways you can identify the truth: by candidate or attacker, by ruling, by subject, by political party, by where they said it…

Maybe all this truth and fact finding will help us define for ourselves, those things we thought we knew, but didn’t, about our own political affiliations.

What’s historically monumental about this race is that all the molds have been broken: we have a woman and a black man in contention for the Democrats and we have a Republican pastor supporting government programs, a big city Republican who supports choice and a Republican Congressmen who thinks government has no place in defining marriage or in legislating to counteract the homosexual agenda.”

www.ontheissues.org

In 2008, could political truth be taking its first baby steps??


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 20, 2008 - 4:09pm.

The “R” Word….. In the...

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The “R” Word…..

In the Nevada and South Carolina exit polls, the economy ranked the most important issue.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/states/south-carolina/

With the economy the most important factor in the 2008 Election, with interest rates dropping three-fourths of a percentage point, with world markets plunging globally in reaction to the U. S. home loan financial crisis, a looming threat of a U.S. recession, the Treasury Secretary announced there must be immediate action.

Are we in a recession?

Evidently, nobody really knows. The responsibility for defining whether we are or not is something the National Bureau of Economic Research, the NBER, is responsible for.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/18/AR200801...

But, guess what? They don’t do this in real time, because they can’t. They can only make a determination on our economic health, many, many months after the fact. Let’s not forget, studying the economy is a science. And, we should know how scientific evaluation works? Right? Slowly.

It can literally take years before any quantification can be identified and understood in terms of cumulative effects. Mortgages, stock indicators, personal income, unemployment are measured just like carbon emissions are from natural occurring elements and human activity: driving, heating and cooling, industrial processes, electricity generation... they all determine our environmental health.

Today the markets are as inexorably connected to a global economy as much as human habits are to greenhouse emissions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/21/AR200801...

The current trade imbalance and the effects of the human contribution of carbon emissions are two historical unknowns. We agonize over our dependence on foreign oil, but what about foreign cash?

Where do the candidates stand on these two important issues: the economy and the environment?

Find out in the next installment of The Eden Prairie Fact Checker: Truth in Politics


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 22, 2008 - 9:46am.

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If only Ford could have foreseen the “Ethanol Highway.”

And to think right outside the Ford Plant ,with all those assembly lines, engines on chains— corn must have been growing right under their noses….

Here’s a perfect example of a fuel that was used by most of us to get around in our automobiles, whose effect on human life and the environment was devastating.

Discovered in 1921 by General Motors researchers, gasoline laced with lead got rid of engine "knock.” So, lead was deliberately added to gas by the oil industry to boost octane, and eliminate ”knock.” For public health reasons lead gasoline was banned by our government, back in 1975.

Charles Kettering, a lead researcher in the automotive industry, and his assistants believed that only “cellulosic biomass had the potential to compete with petroleum over the long run.” But, “food crops presented supply problems.” That was in the early 1900’s.

http://chemcases.com/tel/index.htm

In 2006, the Bush administration edited a NASA report from one of their top scientists on global warming as reported by 60 Minutes. They requested an interview with the president's science advisor, John Marberger, but were told after making requests for several months, that Marberger would never be available.

“Two weeks after the story first aired, NASA adopted a new communications policy, which allowed scientists to speak out as long as they labeled their opinions as their own.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985_page3.sh...

A recent Washington Post article reported the coal industry is launching a $35 million ad campaign in primary and caucus states to "fuel opposition to legislation that Congress is crafting to slow climate change."

The coal industry’s billboard, radio and TV ads, and street teams are spreading propaganda about coal-fired electricity and attempting to block efforts to pass strong global warming legislation” in 2008.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/17/AR200801...

Coal-fired electricity has been around since the 1880’s. Coal is a fossil fuel and a non-renewable energy source that takes millions of years to form. It also contributes to greenhouse emissions from carbon dioxide that is produced when coal is burned. When carbon dioxide and other gases accumulate in the earth's atmosphere, they form a shield that allows the sun's light and heat in, but doesn't let it out. This contributes to the greenhouse effect.

A January 11, 2008 article published in the Financial Post, by Terence Corcoran “describes how the political world is being turned on its head as presidential candidates struggle to distance themselves from each other and attach themselves,” by what he perceives as a “populist wind that is blowing through the presidential primaries.”

Corcoran says the “most worrying trends can be seen in the Republican ranks. Traditionally proponents of smaller government and lower taxes, Republican candidates are actually bringing on advisers who openly advocate for the imposition of stifling carbon dioxide taxes* as a means of 'solving' our energy issues and enforcing carbon dioxide reductions. This is happening despite the fact that there are growing cracks in the facade of the claimed consensus on climate change.”

The growing cracks he refers to are in a Senate report where 400 scientists dispute the notion of any consensus on man-made global warming.

http://www.clean-coal.info/drupal/400_scientists_dispute_climate_consens...

On Dot Earth, a New York Times blog on the environment, reporter Jeremy Revkin, says that, “the office of Senator James Inhofe, the Oklahoma Republican and ranking member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, released a report online today listing hundreds of scientists and links to peer-reviewed studies that it says challenge whether humans are dangerously influencing climate.”

Revkin says, “At the same time, there are at least two areas of persistent, and legitimate, scientific debate left — more than enough to produce lists as long as the one published today by Senator Inhofe.”

Revkin examines efforts to balance human affairs within the planet’s limitations. Supported in part by a John Simon Guggenheim Fellowship, Revkin “tracks relevant news from suburbia to Siberia, and conducts an interactive exploration of trends and ideas with readers and experts.”

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/climate-consensus-busted/

The link below to a Pew study reveals that more Americans than not, believe in global warming and believe human activity is a major contributor. Another interesting angle the study revealed is that the more Republicans know about global warming, the more they disbelieve; and the more Democrats learn about global warming, the more they believe. Pew suggests partisan extremes are the cause for both parties.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/282/global-warming-a-divide-on-causes-and-so...

Local energy companies are already investing in sowing the wind and alternative energy sources.

Are Republicans greening? Could it be politicians are seriously considering the research and polls that indicate Americans believe that human activity contributes to pollution and global warming?

Of the remaining Republican candidates, they all support nuclear power. Edwards is opposed to it; Clinton says without waste storage and other problems solved she doesn’t support it; Obama supports it. Clinton and Obama support clean coal technology; Edwards opposes government investment in liquid technology and opposes new plants unless they are compatible with carbon capture technology. The Republicans support coal and clean coal technologies. All support biofuels. Only Romney and Giuliani oppose raising fuel economy standards for automobiles. Only Romney and Giuliani do not support cap and trade.

http://www.grist.org/candidate_chart_08.html?source=PrezChartAd

Which legislators will support the Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act (S. 2191) which will come to the Senate floor? Surely legislation the coal industry would like to weaken…but the bill would set real, long-term reductions in global warming pollution and is the first bipartisan climate legislation in history to be voted out of committee. The Nobel prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has made it clear that we must take urgent action to curb global warming pollution in order to avoid catastrophic consequences:
1. Ensure that the targeted emissions reductions keep pace with scientific recommendations.
2. Reduce the total amount of emission allowances given to polluters for free.
3. Oppose any weakening amendments that would compromise the integrity of the emissions cap or slow the overall emissions reduction timeline.

Wind, air and corn never looked so good….


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 23, 2008 - 8:23pm.

Let them eat fast...

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Let them eat fast food…..

Though it’s historically unfounded, the infamous “Let them eat cake” comment attributed to Marie Antoinette served the purpose of expressing an economic divide in a period of French history.

According to data from www.Inequality.org an economic divide exists today.

The richest one percent of U.S. households now owns 34.3 percent of the nation's private wealth, more than the combined wealth of the bottom 90 percent. The top one percent also owns 36.9 percent of all corporate stock. (EPI, State of Working America 2006-07, Table 5.1 and Figure 5F).

http://www.demos.org/inequality/numbers.cfm

What are of the reasons for the inequity? The Economic Policy Institute says “Profits are up, but the wages and incomes of average Americans are down. “

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/pm110

A recent report to Congress by the Economic Policy Institute outlined several core problems in the economy:

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/pm110

•More and more people are deeper and deeper in debt.
•Job creation has not kept up with population growth, and the employment rate has fallen sharply.
•Poverty is on the rise.
•Rising health care costs are eroding families' already declining incomes.

Are employers part of the problem? A federal law, passed almost 20 years ago, to protect workers jobs from the “thousands of businesses that shut down suddenly every year, taking employees by surprise, is not working."

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that "less than one-third of mass layoffs are even covered by the WARN Act because of its many loopholes. And most employers who are covered fail to comply with the law, either out of ignorance or because the penalties and enforcement are so weak that they can be ignored.”

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm?id=2787

In 2007, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama and another Democrat in the Senate introduced legislation that would require businesses to warn employees. The reasons why should be obvious. But, “twenty years ago, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business lobbyists told Congress no law was needed because businesses would do the right thing. The passage of time leaves no doubt that the lobbyists were wrong. Businesses look out for their bottom line. Government still has to look out for the employees, their families and their communities.”

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm?id=2787

In recent testimony to Congress the Economic Policy Institute made three key points in their presentation: This did not include advocating an increase in corporate profits to solve our economic problems.

•Because the economy, and especially the labor market, is in serious trouble, immediate intervention of sufficient size is needed to prevent a vicious cycle of job loss and reduced consumer demand and spending.” They listed the following things that should be done immediately:

•The right stimulus will have the biggest bang for the buck, which comes from increasing unemployment compensation, providing state fiscal relief, issuing targeted tax rebates, and direct federal spending on low-income families through such means as increases in food stamps.

•Infrastructure spending, especially school repair and maintenance, can be done quickly and can efficiently put a million people to work. But even if it takes a year or more to employ large numbers of workers on infrastructure projects, the impact will be timely and important in counteracting rising unemployment and the kind of glacially slow job creation we saw following the 2001 recession.

http://www.epi.org/webfeatures/viewpoints/testimony-mishel-20080116.pdf

In a recent op-ed, even Forbes, the corporate business mag, whose main interest is corporate profits, admitted that the “personal economy of most Americans is going south.”

http://www.forbes.com/2007/12/12/unsolicited-advice-campaign-oped_meb_12...

In the next installment find out how the fast-food industry enters into a discussion of the economy.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 25, 2008 - 1:16pm.

Democrats support wage...

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Democrats support wage increases; Republicans do not…..

According to Lawrence F. Katz, Department of Economics, Harvard University and Alan B. Krueger, Department of Economic, Princeton University, who used data from a survey of fast- food restaurants in Texas, to examine the impact of recent changes in the federal minimum wage on the low-wage labor market, even with a wage hike “employment increased relatively and the prices of meals appeared to be unrelated to mandated wage changes.”

http://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/3997.html

If that’s true, then increasing the minimum wage didn’t cause the price of food to go up and didn’t necessarily attract more employees. And it certainly didn’t put fast food chains out- of –business, a common complaint of Conservatives.

The U.S. Department of Labor says that “about half of minimum-wage workers are under age 25, a statistic that wage-hike opponents cite in arguing that teenagers, not poor parents, are the primary beneficiaries of increases in the minimum rate.”

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=143470

In a January 23, 2007 the Conservative think-tank, the Heritage Foundation, reported that a minimum wage hike is for teenagers, not the working poor.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm1320.cfm

But, the Unitarian Universalist Service Committee whose Mission is to advance human rights and social justice around the world, partnering with those who confront unjust power structures and mobilizing to challenge oppressive policies, says that ”wage increases gives workers of color and women, who are lower wage earners, the opportunity for a living wage.”

The UUSC says that “Since the minimum wage was last raised in 1997, it has fallen 20 percent, adjusted for inflation, while domestic corporate profits are up 74 percent, retail profits are up 55 percent, and business has reaped $312 billion in tax breaks.”

“Even after rising to $7.25 in 2009, the minimum wage will still be lower than it was in 1956, when it was $7.65 in today’s dollars. The first raise to $5.85 translates to an annual income of $12,168. That’s nearly $1,500 more than today’s inadequate minimum wage of $10,712 for full-time work. But it’s still below the 2007 Health and Human Services poverty guideline of $13,690 for a two-person family — and far below any realistic poverty measure.”

http://www.uusc.org/programs/econjustice/wageincrease072307.html

But, the Heritage Foundation says, “Increasing the minimum wage will do little to improve the conditions of poor Americans. Increasing the minimum wage will, however, eliminate entry-level jobs for unskilled workers, making it more difficult for those who want to work to find jobs. They say Low-wage jobs provide the poor with an escape route from poverty. They say it would be a shame if, in the name of helping the working poor, we made this escape route more difficult for them to follow.”

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Labor/tst042904a.cfm

James Sherk, Bradley Fellow in Labor Policy at the Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis said, "There's little evidence to suggest that raising the minimum wage will reduce poverty." Sherk says, “The bill may induce businesses to raise prices and eliminate entry-level or unskilled positions in the long run. Some people will get a raise, and some will lose their jobs. While there may be more winners than losers, the losers will lose more than winners win."

Take a look at these two statements made by the Heritage Foundation:“
Low-wage jobs provide the poor with an escape route from poverty.”
"There's little evidence to suggest that raising the minimum wage will reduce poverty."

These two statements contradict one another. How can a low wage job allow the poor to escape the route to poverty, while an increase in wages wouldn’t help to reduce poverty?

The Heritage Foundation has contradicted their position so many times, it's difficult to know which strategy they're using to combat wage increases. What's worse is that they are providing only half of the argument. Where's the ROI, return- on- the- investment portion of the argument on behalf of the busineesses? When will they say what they really mean?

The fast-food study done in Texas belied the usual Conservative wage increase gripe, revealing that food prices did not go up and that there’s no huge rush to get, what is still considered a low paying job. So, can we really swallow all the contradictions? Isn’t the real issue for conservatives about wage increases that have the potential to reduce profits for businesses and employers?

A 2006 update from the Fiscal Policy Institute—a nonpartisan New York think thank—found “no negative impact on small businesses in states that raised their minimum wages above the federal level.

http://www.fiscalpolicy.org/FPISmallBusinessMinWage.pdf

The Economic Policy Institute’s economic models indicate that "raising the minimum wage can bring payoffs through reduced recruiting and training costs and absenteeism, and increased worker morale.”

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/issueguides_minwage_minwagefacts

According to the Christian Science Monitor the increase in the minimum wage is vexing to conservatives. The Monitor said in 2006 that “the public backs the Democrats on wage increases.” A survey put out by the Pew Research Center “showed 83 percent of the public favors raising the minimum wage by $2.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0622/p10s01-uspo.html

Since Sliced Bread, sponsored by the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), is helping to give voice to the problem of working families.

They say “Congress goes back to this same issue every couple years, suggesting that they save Americans from a useless recurrent political fight by adopting a minimum in terms of purchasing power, not in inflation-bound dollars. The solution is simple: tie the minimum wage to the Cost of Living index.”

http://www.sinceslicedbread.com/idea/12373


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 25, 2008 - 11:39pm.

Rebates: should Americans...

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Rebates: should Americans who don’t pay income taxes receive them?

The Star Tribune says rebate checks could be going out in May under the proposed economic stimulus package. Who will get them?

http://www.startribune.com/business/14452321.html

Rich Lowry’s take, an editor of the National Review, a right-leaning publication, is as close as you can get to the thinking of local Republican no-tax legislators and council members. Lowry says there are more than 40 million income-tax filers who have no income-tax liability. Lowry isn’t very happy about it.

He says since “Democrats insist on spreading around rebates to people who don’t pay their federal income taxes that it just goes to prove the LIE about the federal tax code, as a rancorous scheme by “Republicans economic elites” that “the rich live at the expense of the poor.”

Lowry says “Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Edwards can barely say the word “taxes” without retailing some version of this tale, which is detached from reality and has been getting steadily more so.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjlhYjgxZmY4ZWQyM2EwYzgzODE0YjdkMTg...

Lowry’s the one detached from reality.

Here’s what he should have said: there are more wealthy people paying more taxes and a disproportionately increasing number of people at or below mid-income, not paying taxes. And here’s why they’re not.

According to the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), the inequality or disparity between those who have and those who have not is increasing and is the highest on record.

The EPI says data from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reveals “a historically sharp increase in household income inequality over the past few years. The increase in income concentration among the rich in the 2003-05 period has been the largest on record, and has resulted in a transfer of $400 billion dollars from households in the bottom 95% of the income scale to those in the top 5%. In other words, had income shares not shifted as they did, the income of each of the 109 million households in the bottom 95% would have been $3,660 higher in 2005.”

“According to the CBO data, by 2005, the top fifth held a larger share of both pre- tax and post-tax income than everyone else in the bottom 80%. On a pre-tax basis in 2005, the top 1%, with 18.1% of total income, held a much larger share of income than the bottom 40% of households, which only received 12.5%.”

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/ib239

As for the debate over the rebate,” Lowry thinks it’s a questionable “premise to kick-start the economy by scattering money around,” so his attitude is “lower-income people paying no income taxes might as well be included.” Lowry says he doesn’t want the moment to pass without repeating once more that “the tax system that Democrats say is being skewed in favor of the rich, is not, except in the sense that it exacts more taxes from them.”

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjlhYjgxZmY4ZWQyM2EwYzgzODE0YjdkMTg...

The best response to give Lowry is stop the spin and try doing a little better research. Here’s some readily available information from a Congressional Budget Office study done in 2004. “President Bush's tax cuts since 2001 have shifted more of the tax burden from the nation's rich to middle-class families, according to a study released by the Congressional Budget Office.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/politics/main636398.shtml

Moody’s tells us why rebates for those who may only contribute to payroll taxes, gas taxes and other user taxes, is critical to the economy:
According to the chief economist of Moody's Economy.com, who points to a study published in 2001, “when households received rebates between $300 and $600, consumers spent two-thirds of those rebates within six months of receiving them. The study estimates the rebates gave a healthy boost to consumer spending at the time. “

The economists said that "The effectiveness of a tax rebate on consumer spending would be enhanced if targeted to lower and middle income households that are more financially constrained and thus more likely to quickly spend the rebate check."

A study of various stimulus options by the Congressional Budget Office found that a one-time rebate could be highly cost-effective in terms of boosting demand if it's focused on people most likely to spend it.”

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/18/news/economy/rebate_how_it_works/index.h...

Senator Chuck Schumer, D, N.Y. chairman of the congressional Joint Economic Committee says, “People making $35,000 to $50,000 pay a lot of federal taxes, but much of that is not income tax, but directed to programs like Social Security.

Schumer said "If we did the rebate based on the payroll tax, it would hit a lot more people at a lower end of the spectrum. And so to just say income taxes are the only taxes we're considering that people pay is unfair."

Schumer estimated that about 22 million households file income tax returns but do not pay that tax because their earnings are so low. An additional 22 million households do not file a return, he said. This group includes many older people on fixed incomes.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/20/news/economy/bc.apfn.economy.stimulus.ap...

What has completely escaped Lowry, who represents the Republican viewpoint, is that it’s not the top 1% or the top fifth who are going to put money right back into the economy in BIG numbers. Lowry did concede that the millions who don’t pay taxes, who would qualify for the rebate, out number the wealthiest Americans. That’s millions of millions of Americans.

http://www.urban.org/publications/410404.html

According to CNN, today, Jan 28, 2008, Sources on Capitol Hill and at the Treasury Department, "said the plan would send checks of $600 to individuals and $1,200 to couples who paid income tax and who filed jointly.

People who did not pay federal income taxes but who had earned income of more than $3,000 would get checks of $300 per individual or $600 per couple.

A Democratic aide and Republican aide said there will be an additional amount per child, which could be in the neighborhood of $300.

Those who earn up to $75,000 individually or up to $150,000 as a couple will be eligible for the payments, said Republican and Democratic sources familiar with the tentative deal.

Pelosi said as many as 116 million American families will get a rebate check.

To get to the agreement, Democrats dropped calls for increases in food stamps and an extension of unemployment compensation. Republicans agreed to allow people who pay Social Security taxes but not income taxes to get the checks, sources said. "

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/24/economic.stimulus/index.html

That means the lowest in the ecnomic rung and those who might be looking, but don't have jobs, won't be compensated. The Urban Institute says the "non-working poor estimate is 5% of the total population."


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 29, 2008 - 5:01pm.

Clinton Cancels CNN...

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Clinton Cancels CNN Appearance; Obama strategy clear

Senator Hillary Clinton, D., N.Y. cancelled her appearance on CNN after Bush’s State- of- the- Union speech. Candidates don’t cancel BIG media appearances before Super Tuesday.

Why did she do it?

After the President's speech, CNN prognosticators said Obama could pull in the black vote across the country and build a new coalition of support that’s never been seen.

Did they have a change of mind? Last week CNN said the S.C. primary wasn’t at all about race, that race didn’t enter into Obama’s win.

According to every other news outlet, Obama could not have won S. C. without the strong black vote. That’s not a racist slur, it’s a factual assessment.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/14454982.html

CNN’s political team distorted the outcome of the S.C. primary by not stating that the HUGE black vote enabled his win. Now CNN’s same political team is saying it’s because of the black vote that he could take delegates away from Hillary Clinton.

CNN did not present a fair assessment of the S.C. primary outcome. Are they playing politics, themselves?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/26/sc.analysis/index.html

CNN’s team excoriated Bill Clinton for saying what essentially became a reality in the S. C. primary outcome: blacks voted their own. CNN prognosticators indicated today, not on the day of the S. C. primary, but today, that could result in a win for Obama. How could they disavow the importance of the black vote right after the S. C. primary and then turn around a week later and say that’s how Obama could win it all?

Enter Ted Kennedy, the key to the Latino vote. Kennedy has influence with the Latino community who support Clinton. In order to beat Clinton, Obama needs the black vote and the Latino vote.

In an article at CNN.com Kennedy said “Obama represents a new era and a rejection of "old politics." In the article CNN pointed out other Democratic leaders in the Congress have held back their endorsements, so as not to tip the race.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/28/AR200801...

“Rejection of old politics,” Kennedy says? The real cunning, not the one Republican pundits are dosing out against Hillary, not the press puffery of the so-called “Billary” attacks on Obama’s race, the real strategy that no one saw coming was timed for Super Tuesday. The endorsement by Ted Kennedy and what it would mean to Obama’s chances of picking up enough delegates for the nomination— that’s the kick below the belt.

In an excerpt from the Daily Kos, Senator Meek, who stood next to Clinton the day of the Jesse Jackson comments, responds that what Bill Clinton said was taken out of context.

“There have been “reports that the comment about Jesse Jackson was by former President.” Clinton was not in response to the question about why it would take two people to beat Barak Obama, but in response to something that was intentionally edited out of the tape. Today, Kendrick Meek evidently said on MSNBC that he was there when the question was asked and said the other question had to do with asking President Clinton to talk about historical black candidates.”

“If you look at President Clinton's response to the question about it taking two people to beat Obama, "That's part of the bait too," it's pretty obvious that he had no intention of answering that question and that whatever else was asked seemed a relatively non-gotcha question. So he answered that other question. And was then intentionally taken out of context.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/28/154031/095

At this point there’s nothing on CNN about Clinton cancelling her appearance or what Senator Meek said. But, what you will find are a picture and a blog article revealing Clinton shaking Kennedy’s hand and Obama turning away, while attending the State- of- the- Union address. Jessica Yellin’s blog, “State of the Union: Awkward Moment,” gives us the intricate details of who shook whose hand, who turned to who, who didn’t?

“When Clinton straightened up, Kennedy quickly reached across Barack Obama to shake Clinton’s hand. She took it. As they spoke, Obama turned away. Then the senators seated to Obama’s right – Ben Nelson and Ken Salazar — both shook Senator Clinton’s hand and talked to her. Instead of doing the same, Obama turned to look at the back of the room.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

While Obama bemoaned the unfairness of his opponent and her spouse and everyone else in the press beat up on the Clintons for using a “racial” strategy against Obama, unbeknownst to most of us, the senator from Illinois had the Ace of Spades up his sleeve all along. Timed so perfectly, days after his primary win, before the State- of- the- Union speech and a week before Super Tuesday, Kennedy announced his endorsement for Obama.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on January 29, 2008 - 5:03pm.

McCain's 100 Year War What...

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McCain's 100 Year War

What wasn’t discussed at the Republican debate and is directly related to the war in Iraq are pocket book issues at home and Department of Defense pork. The two are seldom mentioned as intrinsically tied.

McCain “blames his own party for some of the economic woes. "Stop the out of control
spending," McCain has said.

http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/john.mccain.economy.2.633533.html

The Cato Institute, a conservative think-tank, says that pork for the Department of Defense increased under the Republican-controlled 104th Congress. According to Cato, pork can include: “unnecessary weapons programs and military bases that are not needed for national security but remain open to provide economic benefits to the surrounding communities and corporate welfare, in the form of subsidies to defense contractors. In addition, the defense budget includes programs that are not even marginally related to national security, which should either be eliminated or moved to the relevant budget classification.”

Cato termed Republican Defense
Spending, “beyond the call of the Pentagon,” saying “the 104th Congress added $6.9 billion in additional appropriations to the Pentagon's fiscal year 1996 budget and $11 billion more than the $254 billion the Clinton administration requested to the FY97 military budget.”

http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb105-8.html

According to a 2005 USA Today article billions of dollars are spent on classified Pentagon projects with scant public oversight. The Defense budget has been referred to as a “depository for spending” that members of Congress shield from public view. Often the strings attached to a company and their political contributions to the Pentagon are thread bare. Classified Pentagon spending increased nearly 48% to about $27 billion since Sept 11th. An expert who specializes in congressional intelligence issues was quoted as saying “there’s a lot of room for wrongdoing that can be hidden from the public.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-08-pentagon-spending_x.h...

At the 2008 New Hampshire primary McCain is said to have “wooed military tech company BAE systems” whose CEO divulged he had already voted for McCain absentee-style.
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9840628-7.html

BAE’s political contributions to Republicans during the 2006 elections far exceeded those to Democrats. According to Source Watch BAE Systems is the largest arms manufacturer in Europe and the fourth biggest in the world.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=BAE_Systems

According to a New York Times op-ed in 2007, “apart from war costs and personnel increases, the defense budget slips in more than $40 billion in other spending increases, compared with last year. Since Mr. Bush took office, the Pentagon budget has more than doubled. It is now higher, in real terms, than it has been in the past half-century. “

That includes “roughly $140 billion in weapons procurement, research and development costs that are not part of the Iraq and Afghanistan section of the budget.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/06/opinion/06tue1.html

McCain has said the U.S. presence in Iraq may be a "hundred years, a thousand years or "a million years," and that it’s not all about an “American presence” in Iraq; it's about “American casualties."

McCain references the presence of “U.S. troops stationed in South Korea, Japan, Europe, Bosnia, and elsewhere as part of a "generally accepted policy of America's multilateralism. There's nothing wrong with Iraq being part of that policy, providing the government in Baghdad does not object,” he has said.

Certainly our weapons use would decrease, the loss of life would decrease...

According to Mother Jones “McCain does not equate victory in Iraq--which he passionately urges at campaign events--with the removal of U.S. troops from that nation.”

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/6735_mccain_in_nh_w...

In “What ‘progress’ in Iraq Really Means,” an article posted by Tom Englehardt at The Nation, Englehardt says the “percentage of Americans in the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll who had served in Iraq or "had a close friend or relative who served in Iraq," who approve of the President's handling of the Iraq conflict is 38%. In a May New York Times/CBS News poll, fewer than half of military families and military members agreed that "the United States did the right thing in invading Iraq."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/engelhardt

McCain said that if the Bush administration’s plan had not produced visible signs of progress by the time a McCain presidency began, he might be forced — if only by the will of public opinion — to end American involvement in Iraq.

More on how Hillary is being courted by the industry that supported (past tense) McCain. WHY do you think?


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 1, 2008 - 9:46am.

Franken Beating Coleman in...

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Franken Beating Coleman in Polls

"POLL SHOWS FRANKEN BEATING COLEMAN
MN Publius - 1 hour 26 min ago
A poll released by MPR today [pdf link] shows Al Franken beating Norm Coleman 43.2% to 40%. This is just barely within the margin of error (3.2%) but is incredibly significant as the first poll to show Franken above Coleman since he announced. Since his announcement, however, Franken has steadily gained ground on Coleman with almost every poll released and these latest numbers seem to confirm Team Franken’s contention that once Minnesotans meet Al, they go Al.

Perhaps even more significant than the overall poll numbers is that Franken is shown beating Coleman in all three issue areas asked about (Economy, Iraq, and Health Care) with his most significant margin on the issue of Iraq (55% to 32%) showing that Minnesotans are still very discontent with our direction in that war. The poll also shows that a sizable chunk of independents are still up for grabs in the race.

The MPR poll also reveals that Al Franken has a large lead over the other DFL candidates. In the battle for the nomination Al beats Mike Ciresi 32% to 28% with Cohen and Pallmeyer at 2% and 3% respectively. Still, 35% of those polled indicated that they have yet to make up their mind. Interestingly, Franken also does the best against Coleman of all the candidates. While Al bests Coleman 43.2% to 40%, a Ciresi/Coleman match-up comes out in Coleman’s favor 43% to 38%."

http://www.tpt.org/aatc/blogdigest/categories/1


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 1, 2008 - 5:31pm.

Kodak Moments: one day...

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Kodak Moments: one day before Super Tuesday

In perusing the punditry before Tuesday, you can’t help notice the candid, rock bottom assessments. Pundits are now talking about the leap we have to arrive at when we vote on Tuesday, Will they, or won’t they do what they say? What are they really up against in order to achieve their campaign promises?

When it’s all said and done and they’re out of the test tube, in the real world of politics trying to do what they said they were going to do, it’s quite a different dynamic.

According to Op-ed columnist Paul Krugman, if Hillary wins there’s a chance we’ll get Universal Health Care Coverage, if Obama wins there’s no chance.

Krugman says that “Obama has demonized the idea of mandates — most recently in a scare-tactics mailer sent to voters that bears a striking resemblance to the “Harry and Louise” ads run by the insurance lobby in 1993, ads that helped undermine our last chance at getting universal health care.

If Mr. Obama gets to the White House and tries to achieve universal coverage, he’ll find that it can’t be done without mandates — but if he tries to institute mandates, the enemies of reform will use his own words against him.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html?em&ex=120227400...

Stanley Fish, in the New York Times, “Think Again” blog, “All you Need Is Hate” says that however the campaign turns out Hillary hating is here to stay. When trying to understand the furor of hatred, Fish says “the search for a unifying theory of what drives Hillary’s most fanatical opponents is a futile one.” The reason is that nothing drives it; it is that most sought-after thing, a self-replenishing, perpetual-energy machine.” From obsessive hatred of her hairstyle to the crazy insinuations she’s Osama Bin Laden’s candidate, the hatred recalls the onslaught against the Clintons when they were in the White House. The problem with Fish’s ideas is that he makes no distinction as to where the hostility is coming from? Well, one can only assume he knows that everyone already knows.

http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/all-you-need-is-hate/?em&ex=120...

Then there’s Mike Huckabee, who thinks he can capture the Evangelical vote that carried GWB to two stints in the White House. But, it would seem the fervency that propelled Bush has given way to practicality. Evangelicals don’t think Huckabee can win. Despite the populist message and unwavering faith, the thinking is that the choice is the “lesser of two evils.” Can Huckabee win and is McCain committed to banning abortion.” This time around the choice for Evangelicals is not so clear cut.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/03/AR200802...

Columnists are calling Romney “deeply bendable.” In an Op Ed by columnist William Kristol, New York Times, “Dyspepsia on the Right” he says “This is an important moment for the conservative movement. Not because conservatives have some sort of obligation to fall in behind John McCain. They don’t. Those conservatives who can’t abide McCain are free to rally around Mitt Romney. And if McCain does prevail for the nomination, conservatives are free to sit out the election.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04kristol.html?scp=3&sq=Romney...

Across the pond even Europeans think that John McCain has punctured the conservative mold. “Even Sen. John McCain is being lauded for having, in the words of a Times of London columnist, "overthrown the old order of the Republican Party."

What does Europe really think? It doesn’t bode well for Republicans if American voters heed Europe’s sentiments. Evidently what’s discussed over there are “the relative strengths of Clinton vis a vis Obama, which are analyzed endlessly in newspapers. Few Europeans could pick former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney out of a lineup. In Britain, even some Conservatives, the historical allies of the Republican Party, have been lured over to the Democratic camp. Simon Burns, a Tory member of Parliament, blames the GOP for waging a war in Iraq whose unpopularity in Europe knows no bounds.”

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-global-europefeb04,1...

Wednesday-

After the fact: are more voters basing their vote on a wider array of information, available through sources that both support or oppose candidates? And maybe if that's true it's because we are becoming sophisticated enough to realize truth comes in many sizes and shapes, color and gender, like the candidates; we all have to arrive at our own truth…..


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 4, 2008 - 2:15pm.

Race in Real Time Betting...

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Race in Real Time

Betting odds: it’s Super Tuesday and Intrade.com allows participants to rate the candidates as if you were betting on a horse-race. Find out who has the best chance of winning their party’s nomination. There’s a ticker tape that indicates McCain would beat Obama in a national election and the likelihood of an Osama Bin Laden capture in June of 2008. It’s not scientific: the numbers fluctuate up and down like stocks. You can trade by opening up and funding an account.

Intrade rates who will win their party’s nomination: Hillary Clinton a 53.0% chance; Senator McCain received 88.0%; Obama followed with 47.2% and Romney with 8.0%. (2-5-08)

http://www.intrade.com/

How do we rate globally?

Have you ever heard of the Global Power Barometer at PostGlobal.com? They rate our standing in the Global Community. Here’s where you can see world power shift in real time. As of Feb 1st the U.S. A. was rated on the GPB tracker in the middle of the negative neutral, neutral zone, in comparison to these countries/entities, who were in the neutral positive zone: China, Israel, Iran, Russia and Islamists.

Does it matter much? Yes.

It's the pulse on our foreign affairs, accessible to the public. It’s not for the faint of heart, because you may discover things you might not want to know, for instance, as of Feb third, U.S. intelligence officials reportedly are growing increasingly concerned that al-Qaida may be refocusing its efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction. Not something being discussed by the campaigns. Every day, five U.S. soldiers try to kill themselves. Before the Iraq war began, that figure was less than one suicide attempt a day.”

What don’t we know about the condition of our men and women in combat?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/drg/index.html

The Media needs to know everything and right now; it’s their business, right? But, it seems even the media is fed up with themselves, knowing their prognosticators are by no means the ultimate in-road to what’s on voters’ minds or what an outcome of an election is, so they’ve employed People Meters and Dial Testers to find out what voters really think.

Enter Lucid Systems; the company says brains never lie and that the subconscious is the new frontier in politics.

This election season voter volunteers have been fitted with head-sets that measure their “skin temp, heart rate, eye-blinking and brain activity” while listening to candidates.

Evidently looks and emotional appeal are big scorers.

According to Lucid Systems Mitt Romney paid a consultant firm over $300,000.00 to help him connect with voters.

One company’s research director says traditional polling methods don’t work because voters will say one thing in a focus group and vote entirely differently in the privacy of a voting booth.

So, the trick is to find out how people are going to vote by getting into their minds. Now political strategists are focusing on what they describe as the “unchartered electoral frontier, the brain.”

http://www.lucidsystems.com/

Do we want our brains wired because the media needs to know?


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 5, 2008 - 10:11am.

Splitsville and a...

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Splitsville and a Frontrunner?

The outcome of Super Tuesday in Minnesota couldn’t be more ideologically split.

What became true of Minnesota, a “live” voting state, was both the Republican and Democratic race to the White House resulted in an overwhelmingly polar outcome: ultra liberal and ultra conservative victories.

Minnesota Republicans voted for a candidate who didn't win nationally, who was marginalized in most big contests, except for historically ultra conservative states and his homestate.

According to CBS News, it's party activists who attend caucuses, resulting in an outcome that tends to swing super liberal and super conservative. The "live" voting format also pulls in young voters, but because of the venue and time commitment, the “live” vote dissuades older voters.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/05/opinion/main3791239.shtml

What’s strikingly similar about the national result for McCain and Clinton, despite the fact that neither of them won Minnesota, is that they both won the big prizes, despite some adverse conditions: McCain because the conservative hierarchy doesn’t want to endorse him and Clinton for rising above endorsements intended to sway the vote in Obama’s direction.

Both did more than survive, despite their adversity.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 6, 2008 - 12:03pm.

McCain Warns Conservative...

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McCain Warns Conservative Radio-talk Show Hosts

Feb 6, 2008

McCain Warned Radio talk show hosts, telling them to back-off so he can unify the party. John McCain knows what it’s like to be “swiftboated,” sabotaged by members of the press or his own party. But, Romney and Huckabee are waiting in the wings saying, hold-off, it’s not over yet.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-gopcampaign7feb07,0,6279072.s...

Remember this going forward: we should all hold McCain and all the candidates, the press, and other politicos accountable for extending the same courtesy to all the candidates: no defaming, discrediting or attacking, like the kind of behavior McCain himself leveled on Romney at the California debate.

Now, that McCain is a front-runner he’s changing the rules? Does this reek of self-serving arrogance, exactly the aura McCain displayed at the last debate?

Keep this in mind till the final stint post Conventions.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 6, 2008 - 6:10pm.

Keeping Control of...

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Keeping Control of Ramstad’s swing seat….

Paulsen Bipartisan?

Emily’s list calls Republican Erik Paulsen a right-wing ideologue.

This is what Emily’s list has to say about Erik Paulsen: "He is a state representative with a staunchly anti-choice voting record. During 13 years in the legislature, Paulsen has repeatedly voted against the interests of ordinary Minnesotans. He voted to cut 24,000 Minnesotans off of the state’s health care program, going beyond Republican Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s proposal. Paulsen also voted against raising Minnesota’s minimum wage, calling the bill “a job killer.”

"Paulsen had been majority leader but lost the post when Democrats took back the House in 2006. Republicans are rallying around him as the de facto nominee, and he can count on the support of right-wing special interests and national Republicans who will stop at nothing to keep control of this swing House seat."

http://www.emilyslist.org/candidates/terri_bonoff/

In a Star Tribune story, Paulsen declaring himself “an heir to the common-sense political tradition of Jim Ramstad. “ Only Paulsen’s record can belie his own statements/voting record. And here it is:

1." In 2003, while House Majority Leader (so this would be before he lost to Marty Siefert), Paulsen led the effort to make what the Pioneer Press called the “Deepest cuts in state history”. These cuts eliminated health coverage for 68,000 Minnesotans and cut child care assistance by $87 million.

2.In 2005, Paulsen continued in his dastardly ways and voted to eliminate coverage for 24,000 Minnesotans.

3.In the words of one state legislator I spoke to, Paulsen “led the charge” in favor of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

4.During this last session (so after he lost to Seifert and was no longer Republican Leader) he was one of only 43 members (out of 134) to oppose the bipartisan transportation plan when it was initially passed by the House. "

http://mnpublius.com/2008/01/i-know-jim-ramstad-jim-ramstad-is-a-friend-...

And Paulsen now says he is going to be bipartisan? He’s going to represent all of us, not just the right-wing extremes of his own party? That just doesn’t compute.

According "Politics In Minnesota," in a 2007 weekly report, Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Eden Prairie). “appears to have taken more extreme stances on issues under former Speaker Sviggum's tutelage, as compared to Bonoff's more moderate, open-door approach. “ Bonoff is a DFLer running against Paulsen in the third.

http://www.politicsinminnesota.com/the-weekly-report/politics-minnesota:...

In 2007 Paulsen voted against a gas tax and the bill( HF946) was vetoed by Pawlenty. The bill passed the House. According to a story on KARE11.com, “Bob Vanasek, head of the MN Inter-County Government Association, told reporters funding for new highway projects and maintenance dropped significantly since 2006, and that lawmakers and the Governor should not be allowed to leave without a major investment in transportation and transit."

"Don’t go home without one," he said should be the theme of the 2007 session. Vanasek said the Department of Transportation is constantly forced to choose between basic maintenance and new construction.”

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/ongoing/votetracker/legislator...

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=252328

Only a handful of Republicans voted for this bill. Paulsen wasn’t one of them.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 7, 2008 - 3:09pm.

The “O” Factor The...

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The “O” Factor

The Huffington Post's Bonnie Fuller wrote in 2007, “Oprah elects Barack as President, Hey not so fast.” Fuller says, “a woman who can sell millions of books and magazines is now out to sell us a president. And after a two-day campaign swing through New Hampshire, North Carolina and Iowa, it sure looks like Oprah Winfrey may succeed in crowning Barack Obama as the next U.S. President."

"Now if Oprah, a daytime talk show host and magazine impresario can sway a presidential election that surely seals it — we are officially living in a celebrity culture."

Fuller tells us, "despite all the 30,000-seat packed stadiums Oprah can fill with cheering fans, I'd like to give some comfort to the hand-wringers in the Hillary Clinton and Republican camps.”

"Oprah may not decide the fate of the 2008 presidential election if the eleven hundred plus respondents to a Starmagazine.com poll represent the true feelings of most American voters."

http://www.starmagazine.com/celebrities/shots/13525

Oprah made "headlines by snagging interviews with Democratic candidate Al Gore, who appeared on her season opener, and with Republican rival George Bush. That was back before the 2000 election. It was the “show’s first commitment to a live TV interview in the all- important last two months of the presidential race, when voters really start to concentrate on the candidates and issues.”

Sunday Herald, Sept 17, 2000

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_20000917/ai_n13950904

According to a Washington Post article, from Sept 2003, Oprah had Arnold Schwarzenegger on her show when he was campaigning to be the Governor of California; she neglected to follow the federal equal time rule that does not permit
broadcast television to use its tremendous influence for partisan purposes in an election.

That would mean if you invite one, you have to invite them all, including other candidates from the Republican Party.

At the time “The polls showed Arnold running far worse among women than men, because he had been embroiled in controversy recently over some sexist comments made to magazine reporters.”

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE5DB143AF934A2575AC0A...

So, using her celebrity, considerable wealth and television exposure to boost female votes is old hat for Oprah, she’s done it before, this time on behalf of Barack Obama.

Obama’s potential to attract women voters away from Hillary Clinton with an endorsement, air-time and appearances on his behalf, was already tried and tested on behalf of Arnold.

Then there’s Mrs. Arnold, Maria Shriver, whose endorsement of Obama appeared in the Washington Post. No mention in the article what Oprah did for her husband back in 2003. Oprah helped turn around the Arnold’s horrific reputation with women by coming out and endorsing him on her show.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/03/maria_shriver_comes_...

At the time there were quite a few disgruntled voters who cried for Equal Time; here’s an example from the New York Times:

“Oprah Winfrey did Arnold Schwarzenegger a favor when she had him on her show. Now she needs to do the voters a favor, and extend an invitation to the other top candidates in the California governor's race.”

September 17, 2003
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/w/oprah_winfr...

There’s rhyme and reason to the Federal Communications Commission's equal time provision, which is supposed to allow other candidates to demand the same amount of air time.

In an article in the Chicago Tribune, “the appearance on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" "widened Obama’s path into the world of pop culture, a critical domain as he began to build his celebrity-infused political portfolio. The relationship grew along with Obama's rise, as the two Chicago celebrities turned a passing acquaintance into a powerful friendship with national implications.”

According to the article, Oprah is “testing the boundaries of her power. We know she’s already “turned obscure writers into best sellers and started a top magazine from scratch, yet she never before has tried so tangibly to translate her influence into the political realm.”

“Some suggest that if any star is well-established enough to risk it, it is Winfrey. She is especially popular with women and African-Americans, crucial demographics for Obama as he competes against front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.), who enjoys solid support from both those groups.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama_bdsep09,1,5458092....

The Chicago Tribune put it succinctly: "Oprah offered women a permission slip to desert the candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton in favor of Barack Obama.”

Period.

Oprah couldn't have said it more bold- faced:" women should “not feel guilty if they preferred him over her.”

And to add to the injury, she said, "Being free means you get to think for yourself," and to increase the effrontery, "and you get to decide for yourself what to do."

A few minutes later, her friend, Maria Shriver, the wife of California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, came on stage and announced her support for Obama.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/wire/chi-ap-ca-californiaprimar...

The question is whether Oprah gave equal time to Clinton? Obama's appearance was in 2007. Was Hillary given an equal shot?

“O” well, at least Barbara Streisand, whose endorsement of Hillary, never got press, didn't come out and tell female voters they shouldn’t feel guilty about voting for Hillary instead of Obama.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 8, 2008 - 9:22am.

This is comical. Please...

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This is comical. Please report facts, not your obvious bias. You remind me of the StarTribune editorial board....They don't report the news, they twist it and rewrite it into a slanted, one sided report.
I'm done with reading this stuff. It is funny though. Are you sure your tongue is not inserted into cheek?


Submitted by Gino G on February 8, 2008 - 9:23pm.

Who's afraid of the big bad...

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Who's afraid of the big bad debates?

We're making history here: we've got a black man and a woman in the race to be President of the United States, and those who say, there have been enough debates, are just plan scared to rock the boat...whose boat?

Obama's bluster and brass or Hillary's substance: which will help us get through the impending global issues, the national economic crisis?

Here's a quote about the Nixon/Kennedy debates:
"Yet voters in 1960 did vote with the Great Debates in mind. At election time, more than half of all voters reported that the Great Debates had influenced their opinion; 6% reported that their vote was the result of the debates alone. Thus, regardless of whether the debates changed the election result, voters pointed to the debates as a significant reason for electing Kennedy.

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/K/htmlK/kennedy-nixon/kennedy-nixon.ht...

The audaciousness of the presumption that Obama is somehow comparable to John F. Kennedy...that his support is overwhelmingly diverse…actually Clinton's is because she is getting the Latino and Oriental votes....the elderly, woman, and America's poor....

That he engenders some illusionary sense of hope is nothing more than bluster, brass, that doesn't equate to any stated policies for the critical issues a new President would face.

David Gergen said something the other night on CNN that resonated... Hillary is telling people it's not going to be so nice, we've got big challenges.

Counter to her real-speak, Barack is glorifying the harsh realities we face as a nation by cavalierly sermonizing, to a seemingly mesmerized audience...

David Brook's Op Ed in the Times, "Questions for Dr. Retail" cleverly summarizes what Hillary has that Barack doesn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/opinion/08brooks.html

Hillary is going to play to her no-nonsense, not-so spectacular bargain basement product line to his handy-dandy organic vegetarian fare which caters to upper income/educated types who eat up his righteous cynicism and keep chanting: yes we can, we can... eat hormone free...

That's a debate strategy that could land someone flat on their righteous back-side....


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 8, 2008 - 7:01pm.

EP fact checker, your colors...

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EP fact checker, your colors are starting to show. You no longer are reporting facts, but rather, you are reporting your obvious dislike towards Obama and of course, the Republican party.
You said "Obama's bluster and brass or Hillary's substance", this tells us everything about you Vamma, or whatever your name is. The above article is seething with your dislike for Obama, and your extreme glorification of Hillary. Do you ever wonder why few of us even respond to your blog? Because it is all one sided. Whats the point. Please post under a different name other than "EPfactchecker", because honestly, it really shows how shallow your articles are.

BTW, we really don't need another 8 years of Clintongate, all the lies, deceit, impeachments, Travelgate, Whitewater, Monica, blah, blah blah. Give us the fresh senator from Illinois or a seasoned politician like JM.


Submitted by Gino G on February 8, 2008 - 8:57pm.

Gino's schtick! You’re...

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Gino's schtick!

You’re reading Gino, but are you paying attention?
Did you read the links to the last entry?

In the New York Times, "Questions for Dr. Retail, David Brooks says, "Obama offers to defeat cynicism with hope. Apparently he’s going to turn politics into a form of sharing. Have you noticed that he’s actually carried into his rallies by a flock of cherubs while the heavens open up with the Hallelujah Chorus? I wonder how he does that."

Brooks refers to Obama as the “Hopemeister,” saying Obama’s people are so taken with their messiah that soon they’ll be selling flowers at airports and arranging mass weddings. There’s a “Yes We Can” video floating around YouTube in which a bunch of celebrities like Scarlett Johansson and the guy from the Black Eyed Peas singing the words to an Obama speech in escalating states of righteousness and ecstasy. If that video doesn’t creep out normal working-class voters, then nothing will.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/opinion/08brooks.html

If anyone thinks for a moment that Obama isn’t invoking comparisons to leaders past to seize the moment, then they’re aren’t paying attention.

In the Washington Post’s “For a New Generation” Obama evokes dreams of the past, according to an Obama video which is “engineered to uplift, tugging at tears and obliquely invoking comparisons to Martin Luther King Jr. and César Chávez as Legend throws his arms wide and sings, "A King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed us to the promised land" and "CSI: Miami" actor Adam Rodriguez intones, "Sí, se puede!"
"The people behind the video say the Illinois Democrat's campaign had nothing to do with the video. "The intention," Dylan said yesterday, "was to make a really simple thing. . . . It was like, 'Super Tuesday's coming, let's try and get this up, maybe it can help a bit.' We weren't doing it for the campaign. We were doing it for what [Obama] said in the speech. . . . I believe the words he had to say."

"It's a very effective video," says Tricia Rose, professor of Africana studies at Brown University. "Semi-spiritual, uplifting, a fusion of progressive narrative with religious and emotional sentiment. It's an inspirational slice of the civil rights movement legacy."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/05/AR200802...

Okay Gino, so let's figure out where your tendancies lie. I would think you'd be a "no frills, just commodities: tax credits, federal subsidies, " kind of guy, especially to the oil industry, right?

It's unlikely that you're a "zero-carbon footprint" person, but you could be someone who supports "locally grown, community-enhancing hype," particularly with Republican "cultural signifiers that enrich lives" with CONSERVATIVE meaning."

So, we've already determined, we don't live on the same street.....


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 8, 2008 - 10:25pm.

Gender, Race, Ideological...

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Gender, Race, Ideological Divide in 2008 Election
Obama Sweeps…..
Huckabee Embarrasses

Washington State- Seattle Times

The two candidates in the Democratic race attract diverse groups: Hillary attracted women, who represented 57% of the turn out on Super Tuesday and Barack Obama matched her among blacks, men and younger voters.
With both Clinton and Obama campaigning in Washington State, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer ran a page-one story headlined: "Among women, contest is one for the ages.” The article, “described many Seattle-area Democratic women splitting largely along generational lines, with older women backing Clinton, 60, and many younger ones opting for Obama, 46.”
According to the Seattle Times article, “Obama, Clinton Woo Women Voters,” Feb 9, 2008, the burden of choice is not an easy one.

Obama looking strong at 4PM. Obama wins Washington.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004173596_apdemocratswom...

Kansas- the Kansas City Star-

The Kansas City Star reported Huckabee’s overwhelmingly victory there today, winning all of the state’s delegates. The Republican turn out was considerably less than the Democratic turn out on Super Tuesday. The other interesting factor is that some Republicans said because voters expected him to win anyway, the total vote for McCain may have been suppressed. It’s definitely just one of the problem areas in the way the country votes.

“Republican officials expected about 15,000 voters Saturday, but wound up with 20,009 statewide. While that total beat expectations, it fell short of the 37,000 Democrats who showed up Tuesday to decide between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Some Republicans said McCain’s totals may have been suppressed by the notion that many voters expect him to become the GOP nominee and that their votes mattered little.”
http://www.kansascity.com/

Nebraska- The Journal Star

The results are coming in at 5:00PM CST time in Butler County and Clinton edged Obama. The final tally in Saline County is nearly even between the two candidates.

The results will be announced at 7:15 PM. There was concern about timing of the results announcement which was discussed at a Dec. 8 state central committee meeting, and “it was the decision of a majority attending not to restrict the timing and means of the release of each county’s caucus results.’’

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2008/02/09/news/local/doc47ae38b18f9...

The Times Picayune-

In Louisiana, it was reported that Romney's backers might go to the polls and vote for their candidate as a protest against McCain and to possibly deny delegates to McCain.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1202538215...

Louisiana vote largely split on racial lines. 5% of the African American population in New Orleans are gone after Katrina according to CNN.

WA: Obama 67%, Clinton 31%
NE: Obama 68%, Clinton 32%
LA: Obama 53%, Clinton 38%

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/politics/?hpid=topnews

UPDATE SUNDAY-

Huckabee sweeps, further embarrasses McCain....


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 10, 2008 - 8:56am.

Sham, slam, spin.... What...

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Sham, slam, spin....

What seems to be the sole Republican refuge to obtain news—is FOX.

And that's not spin.

The TRUTH is FOX’s ratings have repeatedly chomped dust for years; here are the facts:

FOX’s ratings have been on a decline for years …..

"Republicans make Fox News Sick," Salon, 2008

Eric Boehlert’s article, “When the GOP catches a cold, everybody at Fox News is ailing, No wonder its ratings are in the pits,”
Jan. 31, 2008 | "My guess is that Fox News guru Roger Ailes has been reaching for the Tums more often than usual early in the New Year, and there are lots of reasons for the hovering angst. "

Boehlert goes on to describe the various reasons they are down in the dumps.

“The most obvious signs of Fox News' downturn have been the cable ratings for the big primary and caucus votes this year, as well as the high-profile debates. With this election season generating unprecedented voter and viewer interest, Fox News' rating bumps to date have remained underwhelming, to say the least. "

"For instance, on the night of the big New Hampshire primary, CNN, which habitually trails behind Fox News in the prime-time race, attracted nearly 250,000 more viewers than its top competitor, marking a changing-of-the-guard of sorts. "

"The turnaround was striking when you consider that in 2004, even with no Republicans running against Bush, Fox News was still able to draw 200,000 more viewers than CNN on the night of the New Hampshire Democratic primary. Yet in 2008, with a very competitive GOP field, CNN was the ratings winner from New Hampshire. "

"And just look at the ratings for Jan. 19, which featured returns from the Nevada caucus coming in during the late afternoon, and then fresh returns from the South Carolina Republican primary being posted during prime time that night. In the past, Fox News would have absolutely owned that night of coverage, as conservative news junkies flocked to their home team -- Fox News -- to see the results. But no more. CNN grabbed nearly as many prime-time viewers for the Republican South Carolina returns as did Fox News. “

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/01/31/fox_news/

In 2006----Fox News Ratings Take a Nose Dive

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-press/2006/08/29/fox-news-ratings-...

In 2006------FOX Ratings In Free Fall - O'Reilly Leads The Way Down

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/1/111723/4980

The downturn after 2003 has only kept growing….and a Republican poster to the EPN, Gino G, who evidently doesn’t understand what a fact is, and hasn’t used one in a single post, (look back at Gino's lame comments) keeps on looking more like the bully he is……

Republican posters, Gino, the GOP webmaster have NOT used a single FACT in their rants..more importantly they've both fallen flat on their faces in attempting to make a logical point..

The purpose of this format is to discuss and put out information. You may disagree, and have some of your own opinions, which is anyone's right. But, if you are talking about facts, do it with factual back-up. Neither the GOP webmaster in previous posts or Gino G have factually backed up one post they've made to the Fact-checker blog and forum.

They're shammers, spinners, slammers...


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 11, 2008 - 1:11pm.

Reading Red: Truth About...

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Reading Red: Truth About Media

You’ve heard this a zillion times before, and right here on this Forum, “the media is too liberal.” It’s the complaint of almost every Republican/conservative I know.

Well, let’s finally correct this fallacy, most likely perpetuated by conservatives themselves, which is totally unfounded.

According to a Media Matters article from 2007, Media Matters "contacted each paper individually and asked which syndicated columnists are published on their op-ed pages.” That means every newspaper in the entire country.

What they found is that “in paper after paper, state after state, and region after region, conservative syndicated columnists get more space than their progressive counterparts. As Editor & Publisher paraphrased one syndicate executive noting, "U.S. dailies run more conservative than liberal columns, but some are willing to consider liberal voices."

“Though papers may be "willing to consider" progressive syndicated columnists, this unprecedented study reveals the true extent of the dominance of conservatives”

http://mediamatters.org/reports/oped/

One would think that the larger and more heavily concentrated blue states, with larger diverse population centers, and more access to different media, would not be outweighed by conservative dominance, but, that’s only the case in the Northeast, by a small percentage point.

•According to Media Matters, “In eight of the nine divisions into which the U.S. Census Bureau divides the country, conservative syndicated columnists reach more readers than progressive syndicated columnists in any given week.”
•In three out of the four broad regions of the country -- the West, the South, and the Midwest -- conservative syndicated columnists reach more readers than progressive syndicated columnists. Only in the Northeast do progressives reach more readers, and only by a margin of 2 percent. "

http://mediamatters.org/reports/oped/

The breakdown of regular columnist within each paper is alarming: 60% conservative, 20% balanced and 20% more progressive.

Media Matters reports, “Obviously, larger newspapers tend to serve larger cities, which are not only more likely to have a progressive populace than smaller communities but also tend to be more demographically diverse in many ways. A small paper, on the other hand, may serve a local area that is relatively homogeneous. But without speculating too much about the ideological leanings of individual newspaper owners and the communities those papers serve, it can be said that smaller papers, at least on this measure, are more likely to lean right.”

http://mediamatters.org/reports/oped/

The Media Matters article is filled with graphs and valuable information. There’s an appendix with columnists profiles so you can find which columnists are progressive or conservative. Columnists are ranked by total reach and average circulation.

"The conclusion of all the data shows, “Conservatives are often heard to complain about the "liberal media," a nefarious cabal of journalists and media owners supposedly endeavoring to twist the news to serve their ideological agenda. Media Matters for America has shown in a variety of ways that the "liberal media" is a myth. Our two reports on the Sunday talk shows showed how those programs are dominated by conservative guests. "

"Our analysis of the coverage of religion showed how that coverage favors conservatives. Analyses performed by other organizations have shown how conservatives dominate talk radio. And this study demonstrates that in yet another key portion of the news media, conservatives enjoy a structural advantage that gives them a leg up in influencing public opinion.”

“In short, while the right wing spends a great deal of time complaining about alleged bias in the media, when it comes to the nation's op-ed pages, it is the progressives who are getting the short end of the stick.”

http://mediamatters.org/reports/oped/


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 12, 2008 - 8:43am.

Hell-ville, Fox News says...

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Hell-ville,

Fox News says there’s trouble in "Hill-ville."

Their do or die epithets for Hillary are effusive. But, no one can dispute it’s either Up-Hill soon or a rapid descent Down-Hill for Hillary Clinton.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/index.html
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

On Larry King Wednesday night, President Clinton’s former Democratic National Committee chairman, David Wilhelm, came out in support of Barack Obama.

The Wilhelm endorsement of Obama comes right on top of a Rezko indictment. Rezko donated to Obama’s campaign. Wilhelm has been questioned by federal agents in the Rezko/Blagojevich corruption investigation. Rezkowatch says “There is now only one-degree of separation between Obama and Rezko, Obama and Blagojevich, and Obama and Wilhelm.”

The Chicago press reported that “Wilhelm’s company has been investigated by the feds in connection with the state's teacher pension system. According to the Chicago Tribune, 'Hopewell Ventures, whose five principals include former top Blagojevich adviser and 1992 Clinton campaign manager David Wilhelm, secured a $10 million investment from the state Teachers' Retirement System in December 2003.'

http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/02/one-degree-of-separation-obama.ht...

Rezko was indicted for “scheming to pressure companies seeking state business for kickbacks and campaign contributions.”

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/28/indicted_obama_fun...

Interesting that Larry King, who interviewed Wilhelm on CNN’s Larry King Live last night, didn’t say anything about the entanglement with Rezko.

The Huffington Press reports that John Edwards is leaning toward endorsing Hillary.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 14, 2008 - 7:42pm.

Frame-up: 2008...

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Frame-up: 2008 Election

According to Wikipedia, “the term framing refers to an inevitable process of selective influence over the individual's perception of the meanings attributed to words or phrases. Framing defines the packaging of an element of rhetoric in such a way as to encourage certain interpretations and to discourage others. The mass-media or specific political or social movements or organizations may establish media frames.”

"Framing is the process by which a communication source, such as a news organization, defines and constructs a political issue or public controversy".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_(social_sciences)

Here’s a Washington Post article, “Campaign Story Lines, All Knotted Up” (2/11/08) by Howard Kurtz talking about framing. This was republished at www.fair.org:

“Identifying "the key to the way news organizations have framed this campaign": "Whether it's cleavage, cackling or crying, as in Clinton's case, the personal trumps the political. Tackling what is actually happening... is insufficiently exciting."

"Even as McCain was winning nine states on Super Tuesday, much of the television chatter was about whether he could persuade Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and other conservative radio talkers to stop beating up on him. Although that is a significant story, it's not quite in the same league as the Arizona senator amassing nearly two-thirds of the delegates needed for nomination. But it's more fun to kick around.... In the wake of Obama's four-state weekend sweep, the Democratic race may drag on for weeks or months and ultimately be resolved by superdelegates. “

Fair.org says this is “Not a bad story from the Post's frequently toothless media critic, though it's odd he includes a complaint about the press "trying to winnow the field" of candidates, since he's on record doing just that himself.”

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=22&media_view_id=9823

How are the candidates framed and by whom: each other, pundits, media? Are these portrayals accurate and how can we determine accuracy? Watch for a series on the remaining candidates…


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 15, 2008 - 7:21pm.

Reliable Sources, couldn’t...

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Reliable Sources, couldn’t be more unreliable…

Framing #3
Conservative Misinformation

According to Media Matters, “Conservative
misinformation is news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda. This misinformation distorts the public dialogue on important issues and obscures the truth.”

http://mediamatters.org/about_us/faq

Media Matters says it’s not just Imus. Bigotry and hate speech targeting, among other characteristics, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and ethnicity continue to permeate the airwaves through personalities such as Glenn Beck, Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Michael Smerconish, and John Gibson.

Do you frequently listen?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120010

Media Matters says Howard Kurtz, of the Washington Post “mirrors a long pattern, which is why more and more prominent players on the left no longer consider Kurtz to be an honest broker -- because he remains chronically oblivious to breaking stories that have a strong progressive media angle. Yet simultaneously, Kurtz shows a chronic over-eagerness to amplify any minor media story being advanced by conservatives.”

"There's much concern about his ideological biases intruding into his work," Markos Moulitsas, the founder of DailyKos, told me in an email. Noting Kurtz's tardiness to the Klein column, Moulitsas said "any 'media critic' ignoring that story -- and it was a long-percolating one over the span of several weeks, giving multiple avenues of entry for critics -- is certainly a 'media critic' not doing his or her job."

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200712110008

Media Matters says, “This year, the media have chosen a new valentine to swoon over: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) -- the media heart McCain. With the presidential primaries heating up, Media Matters for America thought it might be helpful to provide you with examples of how the media have fawned over McCain's presidential campaign; lauding him as a "maverick" and "straight talker" while overlooking his flip-flops.”

More on McCain at:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802140001?f=s_search


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 17, 2008 - 4:41pm.

Murdoch Deciding...

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Murdoch Deciding Election?

Framing #4

The Century Foundation, a “nonprofit public policy research institution founded on the belief that the prosperity and security of the United States depends on a mix of effective government, open democracy, and free markets says Murdoch media contains “small pockets of class in oceans of crass.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_Foundation#Trustees
http://www.centuryinstitute.org/list.asp?type=NC&pubid=1573

Outfoxed looks at Rupert Murdoch's Fox News and how its “been running a "race to the bottom" in television news. This film provides an in-depth look at Fox News and the dangers of ever-enlarging corporations taking control of the public's right to know."

http://www.outfoxed.org/

Reason Magazine, a publication of the Reason Foundation, says the idea that Rupert Murdoch is controlling the media is nothing more than a “domination fantasy.”

http://www.reason.com/news/show/29001.html

"Reason Foundation is a nonprofit think tank founded in 1986 that also publishes Reason magazine. Based in Los Angeles, Reason is self-described as nonpartisan and publishes a statement of values that can best be described as libertarian. Like most think tanks, they are a tax exempt organization that provides papers and studies to support a particular set of values. According to Reason's web site, these are "the values of individual freedom and choice, limited government, and market-friendly policies." Many of the foundation's studies focus on California issues and issues involving local governments. Affiliated projects include Privatization.org, UrbanFutures, NewEnvironmentalism.org. Charity Navigator, an independent rating group, rated the foundation with two out of four stars. Reason is funded by such organizations as the American Petroleum Institute, Chevron, ExxonMobil, DaimlerChrysler, Ford Motors, General Motors and Shell."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason_Foundation

The Huffington Post reported on Feb 4, 2008, that the Murdoch, Hillary honeymoon was over. Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post endorsed Barack Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/04/honeymoon-over-for-rupert_n_847...

This was carried by the New York Times Blog in January of 2008 and bloggers responded to it: “The New York Post has endorsed Barack Obama for president, saying his rival for the Democratic nomination, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, represented the old politics of the past. “Obama represents a fresh start,” The Post stated in an editorial on its Web site. “His opponent, and her husband, stand for déjà vu all over again - a return to the opportunistic, scandal-scarred, morally muddled years of the almost infinitely self-indulgent Clinton co-presidency.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/new-york-post-endorses-oba...

Many bloggers asked why aren't they just endorsing Obama? Why the vituperative slant on Hillary? Why not just endorse the positives of Obama? In other words, as a blogger wrote, “Is this a pro-Obama endorsement or an anti-Hillary endorsement.”

A June 2007 article in the New York Times, “Murdoch, Ruler of a Vast Empire, Reaches Out for More," reported that Congress was on the verge of l"imiting any company from owning local television stations that reached more than 35 percent of American homes. Mr. Murdoch’s Fox stations reached nearly 39 percent, meaning he would have to sell some. "

"A strike force of Mr. Murdoch’s lobbyists joined other media companies in working on the issue. The White House backed the industry, and in a late-night meeting just before Thanksgiving, Congressional leaders agreed to raise the limit — to 39 percent."

"One leader of the Congressional movement to limit ownership was Senator Trent Lott, Republican of Mississippi. But in the end, he, too, agreed to the compromise. It turns out he had a business connection to Mr. Murdoch. Months before, HarperCollins, Mr. Murdoch’s publishing house, had signed a $250,000 book deal to publish Mr. Lott’s memoir, “Herding Cats,” records and interviews show.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/business/media/25murdoch.html

In an article, “The Most Biased Name in News, Fox News Channel's Extraordinary Right-wing tilt,” on Fair.org there’s a Rupert Murdoch quote:

"I challenge anybody to show me an example of bias in Fox News Channel."--Rupert Murdoch (Salon, 3/1/01)

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

Murdoch's media reach is huge. An example of some of the issues he takes on is the environment.

According to a Grist.org interview with Rupert Murdoch about News Corp.'s new climate strategy, May 2007, "Amanda Little writes, "When Rupert Murdoch, the cantankerous and conservative owner of Fox News, enthusiastically joins the fight against climate change, you know we're past the tipping point on the issue. Think landslide."

Little asked Murdoch, "You're known for making business-savvy decisions. What's your bottom-line argument for your climate program?"

Murdoch said, "Whatever it costs will be minimal compared to our overall revenues, and we'll get that back many times over, by running a more efficient company and by growing morale among our employees. This program is a huge morale builder."

Little says Murdoch's environmental advocacy is so big it will even overshadow Gore's "An Inconvienent Truth."

Another thing to note is that the author of the article , Little, has a book deal with HarperCollins, a News Corp. company, A Murdoch Company.)

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2007/05/16/murdoch/


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 18, 2008 - 2:52pm.

Four Would Be Presidents in...

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Four Would Be Presidents in Wisconsin

Wisconsin- Feb 19, 2008- The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that “At various points in the race, voters have confounded the pollsters, and in Wisconsin, which has an open primary and same-day registration, the outcome could be even harder to peg.”

“Obama spent far more time in the state than Clinton - and far more money on television advertising. "

"One measuring stick: In the Milwaukee market, Obama's campaign spent $453,650 on TV ads through Monday to Clinton's $117,245, outpacing her by a nearly 4-to-1 margin. “

"Two polls issued Monday gave a mixed view of the race, with Obama and Clinton each leading in one."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=719462

“Recent Wisconsin polls show Clinton has a chance to end Obama's winning streak. According to an American Research Group (which is not very accurate) poll conducted February 15 and 16, the two candidates are in a statistical tie, with Clinton at 49 percent and Obama at 43 percent. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points. "

“Another poll of Wisconsin Democratic primary voters conducted by Research 2000 for Madison television station WISC also indicates the race is too close to call. The WISC poll had Obama at 47 percent and Clinton at 42 percent. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 5 percentage points.”

“McCain hopes he can score big enough wins to convince Mike Huckabee, the last remaining top-tier Republican candidate challenging McCain, to drop out of the race. The former Arkansas governor has vowed to stay in the race until McCain has enough delegates to win the nomination, saying voters deserve a choice.”

“Recent polls suggest the Republican race in Wisconsin is closer than McCain would like. The American Research Group poll conducted February 15-16 has McCain and Huckabee in a statistical tie, with McCain with 46 percent and Huckabee at 42 percent. The poll's margin of error was plus or minus 4 percentage points.”

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/19/feb19.contests/index.html

Pollsters:

http://americanresearchgroup.com/
http://www.pollster.com/
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1284.xml?ReleaseID=1142&What=&strArea=;&strTi...


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 19, 2008 - 2:48pm.

Words: if they’re so...

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Words: if they’re so important, where are they?

It’s peculiar, maybe that’s too tame a word, how media controls the conversation; words that were on ever major news web site yesterday are mysteriously missing today.

If you try to google Michelle Obama’s name today in relation to her controversial remark(s), you won’t find them easily. If you add the word remark after her name, they pop up on blogs, the Huffington Press, Fox News, the LA times and a conservative site called Newsbusters, which “exposes and combats Liberal Media.”

Newsbusters accuses what they term a “liberal news media” for the deletion. Newsbusters says, “First she said that only Obama can "fix America's broken soul," and now this. If anything can stop Obama from getting the nomination or eventual Presidency, his wife running her mouth could be it. “

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2008/02/18/will-media-ignor...

When Bill or Hillary Clinton make a verbal misstep it’s on every media site on the Internet, “Liberal” or “Conservative.” All Hillary has to do is “belly laugh” and she’s sized up like a meal to be devoured by an insatiable audience.

Well, conservative outlets like Fox “aren’t so ready to let her [Michelle Obama] off the hook either, “as we should expect.

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/category/top-story/

Newsbusters says, “The question is, will the media pay attention to this gaffe? Probably not much, and that is why the bloggers have to.”

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2008/02/18/will-media-ignor...

When John McCain made his “100 Year War” comment it was all over the Internet, but you won’t find it until you get to page 3 of Google; Real Clear Politics and Fox News is defending the comment.

Interestingly, when Hillary made her supposed racial comment about King’s dream being fully realized by Lyndon Johnson, she was attacked by members of her own party. Ed Koch, the former Democratic Mayor of New York, who writes for Realclearpolitics, which is not considered “Liberal” media, came to her defense.

In an article written by the former Mayor, who BTW voted for George Bush, Koch said, “Most shocking for me was that The Times contributed to the misconception of Hillary's statement. In its editorial on the matter, it stated, "Why Mrs. Clinton would compare herself to Mr. Johnson, who escalated the war in Vietnam into a generational disaster, was baffling enough. It was hard to escape the distasteful implication that a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change. The Times charge against Senator Clinton that she implied "a black man needed the help of a white man to effect change" is truly a stretch and an outrage. Does The Times believe that Dr. Martin Luther King's extraordinary ability to inspire would alone have been able to get a white Southern-dominated Congress to pass a host of several important civil rights bills? Without the leadership.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/01/the_times_attack_on_hi...

Obama says “words” are important. So, here are some “words” for thought.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 20, 2008 - 11:38am.

Vamma, still no replies to...

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Vamma, still no replies to your posts? In the famous words of Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin "Ramble On" ;-)


Submitted by Gino G on February 20, 2008 - 10:15pm.

I've been reading the book...

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I've been reading the book "A Woman In Charge" by Carl Bernstein, about Hillary Clinton. I'm only about a third of the way through, but one thing in particular strikes my attention so far:

Hillary had accomplished a great deal before she even met Bill, and was a rising star. Several of her close feminist friends from the 60's tried to convince her not to marry Bill, as she would become a secondary figure, supporting him in his run for the presidency, instead of having a career of her own. Hillary actually turned down Bill's proposal for marriage several times, and, after a long time of difficult consideration, she finally consented to marry him. (Two of the main factors to consider were Bills' womanizing, and that she was reluctant to move to Arkansas because she preferred to stay in the big cities where the exciting political action was going on which would boost here career.)

After marrying Bill, Hillary insisted on keeping her name: Hillary Rodham. She also spent much time focusing on her law career during Bill's first term as governor of Arkansas. Many Arkansans did not like the fact that she was not a traditional governor's wife, and it was brought up against Bill during his next campaign for governor, which he lost. So much for feminism. Eventually, Hillary decided that Bill's winning was more important than her keeping her name, so she changed it to Hillary Clinton and devoted more of her energies towards his next campaign, which they won.

The partnership between Bill and Hillary was crucial to his political career. They had personality characteristics which complemented each other: Bill had vision and inspiration; Hillary the organizatonal skills and drive to get things done. Bill listened to Hillary's advice.

Some people may suggest that Hillary Clinton is riding on the Bill Clinton connection to help her presidential race. The question remains, however: Would Hillary have run for president even sooner had she never met Bill?


Submitted by ljkar on February 21, 2008 - 2:50pm.

Read Book Too Carl Bernstein...

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Read Book Too

Carl Bernstein said in response to whether everything that's been said about them is true: "The quotes are accurate; both the press and the excesses of the Clintons' enemies and an out-of-control special prosecutor were responsible. The original New York Times story that began the so-called "Whitewater" investigations was hardly worthy of the subsequent attention and inflation
it was accorded, especially in the coverage of the Times, The Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal.

"A Woman in Charge" examines in considerable detail the question you raise, so I don't think a separate book is necessary; certainly not from me.

It also bears noting, that (as I report in the book) the Clintons' responses to the investigations and reporting was often self-defeating, trimmed the truth and elevated suspicion, especially about Hillary.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/06/01/DI200...


Submitted by Ponytail on February 21, 2008 - 5:36pm.

SpongeBob Square Pants,...

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SpongeBob Square Pants, Mickey Mouse and Free Trade

Regardless of whether you have kids at home or if you’ve never had to call the Consumer Products Safety Commission checking up on products you bought made in China, you still might want to know that the Chinese government has banned all American made cartoons in their country to protect their own fledgling cartoon industry, according to Comcast News.

http://www6.comcast.net/tv/articles/2008/02/20/China.Cartoon.Ban/

Well, if you aren’t already steaming mad, read on; cause you will be. The United States has a Memorandum of Understanding with China to ensure product safety. Well, that hasn’t stopped a steady stream of unsafe products made and sold by American toy companies like Mattel.

http://www.cpsc.gov/BUSINFO/intl/mouchina.pdf

While families in the U.S. are returning toys made in China decorated with lead paint, the Toy Industry Association is attempting to support legislation requiring national mandatory safety testing of all toys sold in the United States. But you guessed it, predictably, a “call for more regulation was received coolly by some in the industry, who say government isn’t the answer. " They are essentially saying tht product safety should be handled inside the industry. That means no neutral oversight.

http://www.inc.com/inc5000/articles/20071001/killer-toys-for-christmas.h...

Way back in 2002, a Business Week article, “China’s Fading Free Trade Fervor, ”reported that “U.S. exports to China peaked at a record $19.2 billion in [2001], but imports from China, by Washington's calculations, also hit a high: $102.3 billion. At $83 billion for two years in a row, this is the biggest trade deficit the U.S. runs. “

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jun2002/nf2002065_4830.htm

According to a 2007 article on Federal News Radio online, which covers both the Federal Government and those who do business with the government concentrating on "management, procurement, technology, security, policy and pay & benefits," in 2007, “the U.S. trade imbalance with China ran at an annual rate of $256 billion, on track to surpass the [2006] record high for any country of $233 billion.”

“The rise reflected record imports from China on the back of increased shipments of toys and games and televisions for Christmas. The demand is still strong despite a string of high-profile recalls of Chinese products from toys with lead paint to defective tires and tainted toothpaste.”

“The deficits have triggered a backlash in the U.S. Congress, with dozens of bills introduced seeking to penalize China for what critics see as unfair trade practices contributing to the loss of 3 million U.S. manufacturing jobs since 2000.”

“But Paulson [U.S. Treasury Secretary] did push China to open its markets more to U.S. goods and services, while Wu [China's top negotiator, Vice Premier Wu Yi] said Beijing can't be blamed for enthusiastic U.S. consumer demand for inexpensive Chinese products and urged Washington to lift restrictions on high-tech exports.Wu also bristled at any protectionist moves, warning they could be a double-edged sword.”

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=185&sid=1296572

In 2006, the Chinese government urged the U.S. to ease or even abolish controls over exports of high-technology goods to China, following indications Washington proposed to tighten such restrictions.”

http://www.gzboftec.gov.cn/articles/2006-6/18716.htm

Toys are one thing, but high technology exports are another. In a 2005 Business Week article, Jeffrey Garten, Dean of the Yale School of Management said, “I fear that the U.S. hasn't come to grips with the implications of corporations doing so much R&D in China. U.S. companies are understandably seeking the best talent and lowest cost of operations anywhere. But in the process they are sharing America's intellectual treasures with a foreign rival in unprecedented ways. They are training foreign scientists and engineers and giving them and the omnipresent Chinese government access to their proprietary research programs.”

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_05/b3918057_mz007.htm

What are the candidates’ positions on Free Trade? Find out at this URL:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Free_Trade.htm#Headlines


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 21, 2008 - 3:34pm.

"A Woman In Charge" by Carl...

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"A Woman In Charge" by Carl Bernstein-

I think he was on CNN recently commenting on the race between Clinton and Obama, in particular.

Certainly the public perception of her does not match the reality.

Interesting, because the media really does add to the distortion.

Thanks for the insight. The reality seems to be the total opposite of the years and years of spin.

No wonder Chelsea won't talk to the press.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 21, 2008 - 3:29pm.

Election-nomics- Does the...

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Election-nomics-

Does the sports analogy “cheating is part of the appeal of the game,” that fans are compelled to it regardless of how the rules are broken, fit politics too? Are we interested, “not in spite of the scandals, but because of them?”

Stephen Dubner co-author of Freakonomics in his New York Times Op Ed, “Is Cheating Good for Sports,” says, “Maybe, however, this is just how we like it. As much as we profess to like the games for the games’ sake, perhaps cheating is part of the appeal, a natural extension of sport that people condemn on moral grounds, but secretly embrace as what makes sports most compelling. For all the talk of how cheating “destroys the integrity of the game,” maybe that’s not true at all? Perhaps cheating actually adds a layer of interest — a cat-and-mouse element, a detective-story element — that complements the game?”

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/

Dubner says that in sports we “love to applaud cheaters who have confessed their ways.” For example, “Pettitte, who got a hero’s welcome for talking about his HGH mistakes, while Clemens has soaked up ill will with every further denial.”

Maybe that’s how we like our politics— we go on about how we want “change,”— politicians promise “change,” despite the usual Beltway lack of ethics in its overwhelming moral proportions, but real change is as unlikely as a home-run shut-out. Nevertheless the image remains and is rarely fulfilled. Any discernable movement by our elected officials to get things done, more often than not, results in a strike out.

How does it all work in political terms? Bush’s denial that his administration misled Americans about hidden weapons of mass destruction and the cat-in-mouse delivery of Valerie Plame’s covert identity to the world, we could go on…but, do we really enjoy the intrigue or the resulting harm?

Dubner “wonders if our interest in sports springs eternal, not in spite of the cheating scandals, but because of them?”

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/

Do we all spring eternal, in spite of the cheating? Are we already trained to expect it? Most of us are repelled by it, e.g. redistricting to impact elections, disenfranchising voters, losing all touch with the public, rewriting science, Medicare reform fraud, Enron, the Bogus Iraq/Niger yellow cake uranium claims …… but we keep trying to find a way to make amends for political stars who will eventually fade into the backdrop of their Presidential Libraries.

Politics is the game of life, and there are many who say they hate the game, and surely at least half of us are already handicapped once the game begins, our candidate decidedly absent at the first State of the Union Message.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 22, 2008 - 7:51pm.

Third Party Run? Ralph Nadar...

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Third Party Run?

Ralph Nadar will be on “Meet The Press” this Sunday morning. The New York Times reported that “In January, Mr. Nader told reporters that he was forming an exploratory committee in response to Representative Dennis J. Kucinich’s withdrawal from the Democratic race and that he would run if he believed he could raise $10 million.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/what-will-nader-say-on-mee...


Submitted by Ponytail on February 23, 2008 - 2:59pm.

This is why we need instant...

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This is why we need instant runoff voting. You would be able to vote for the candidate you believe in without taking votes away from the candidate who has a better chance of beating the guy/gal who you don't want to get elected.


Submitted by ljkar on February 23, 2008 - 10:26pm.

Enter the Spoiler... This...

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Enter the Spoiler...

This year has to be just as good and better than the previous two elections for the "spoiler." You've got a Republican candidate whose support from his own party is split, and you have a highly contested DFL race, with no clear end, at least at this point.

This election cycle has made it pretty evident that Primary/Caucus results are not necessarily an indication of an outcome in a national election. Wash Post has an article. The 2008 primary season has built-in logistics that can determine outcomes, having nothing to do with the viability of a candidate. Primaries should be all at one time, not spread out.

Ironic, we haven't even gotten to the hard part yet...


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 23, 2008 - 10:56pm.

Ralph 74 yrs old Wikipedia...

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Ralph 74 yrs old

Wikipedia already has it up on their site:

Nader has run for President four times (in 1992, 1996, 2000 and 2004), and is running again in 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader

He says Americans disenchanted with both parties.
http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/general/2008/02/24/AP.Nader/

Fertile ground for the "spolier?" Maybe if our primary process had been set for one day nationally, we' have less damaged candidates, and stronger contenders who would be fresher, less labeled by the media and more ready for a national race.

One can't help but ask if this is just another media dream? So, the big question is does the media help plan the entire election process?

His Veep?


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 24, 2008 - 9:55am.

Press Bias? Washington Post...

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Press Bias?

Washington Post quotes Governor Rendell of PA as saying, his complaint about Clinton press coverage happened the same day as the Drudge Report came out with Obama picture and claim it came from Clinton staffers.

Rendell is a Clinton supporter and says there absolutely has been press bias against Clinton.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/02/rendell_the_media_does_not...


Submitted by Ponytail on February 27, 2008 - 7:52pm.

Must Read: Black Agenda...

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Must Read: Black Agenda Report
2007- Year of Black Media Leaders, especially Obama

Here's one quote from the article:

"Barack Obama's corporate-made and -financed presidential campaign is the product of three distinct factors, all mitigating against Black self-determination and political cohesion: 1) corporate decisions, made a decade ago, to provide media and financial support to pliant Black Democrats that can be trusted to carry Wall Street's water; 2) a widespread desire among whites to prove through the safe and simple act of voting that they are not personally racist, and/or to dismiss Black claims of pervasive racism in society, once and for all; 3) a huge reservoir of Jim Crow era, atavistic Black thinking that refuses to evaluate Black candidates' actual political stances, but instead revels in the prospect of Black faces in high places. A President Obama would, of course, be the zenith of such narrow, non-substantive, objectively self-defeating visions."

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&...


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 27, 2008 - 8:46pm.

Debate Limbo Who can recall...

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Debate Limbo

Who can recall the Star Tribune telling its readers to turn off the spin-zone after a political match-up?

Cleveland Ohio News Record
After Wednesday's Democratic Debate

The Ohio News Record, warned its readers, "Despite all of the spin after the debate, experts, advocated voters turn off their TVs when the debate was over to avoid the post-debate "spin zone" and be in a better position to make up their own minds.

http://media.www.newsrecord.org/media/storage/paper693/news/2008/02/28/N...


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 28, 2008 - 10:12pm.

Skip to the beat/blog? No,...

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Skip to the beat/blog?

No, run, because the beat goes on and on and on…right?

No, it’s the end of the Beat, Reporter that is.

Who are they or who were they? Is there such a thing anymore?

Wikipedia says Beat Reporting is the craft of reporting on an issue or particular sector, organization or institution over time. Beat reporters build up a base of knowledge on and gain familiarity with the sector, allowing them to provide insight and commentary in addition to reporting straight facts. This distinguishes them from other journalists who might cover similar stories from time to time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_reporting

Business Week magazine says the end of the beat reporters has come..

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/blogspotting/archives/2005/05/end...

In their Blogspotting section, the word out is that with the end of the Beat Reporter, comes the end of news as we know it, meaning some important news will not be covered. Well, we know that already.

The Blog also states that the new reporting will be branded versions of a new entrepreneurial kind of journalism that will employ citizen reporters as well as experts.

Have we already experienced this trending away from what was: the traditional reporter and traditional factual news coverage, to a highly personalized point-of-view kind of coverage? Well, yes...

The so-called newspapers have become the copy-cats of the worst rag publications. Is that how we want our politics? Evidently some do and some don’t.

One of the posters on the Blog said something we’ve heard before, "people seek out news they want to believe, not news that’s true. "

Well, getting to the REAL point: the beat reporter just might be replaced by blogs!

Here’s what News.com says; read the whole article at the URL below:

“ [Recently] Blogs have been credited with everything from CBS News anchorman Dan Rather's departure, to unauthorized previews of the latest Apple Computer products, to new transparency in presidential campaigns. The big question is whether blogs, short for Web logs, have the staying power to become more than just online diaries. [?]"

"Will bloggers upend the mainstream media? What legal protections should bloggers have? Is there a blogger business model? While no definitive answers exist just yet, experts at Wharton advise questioners to be patient. Blogging, they note, will be around for a long time. "

"Wharton legal studies professor Dan Hunter puts blogging right up there with the printing press when it comes to sharing ideas and disseminating information. "This is not a fad," Hunter says. "It's the rise of amateur content, which is replacing the centralized, controlled content done by professionals."

"The growth rate of blogs is impressive. Technorati, a search engine that monitors blogs, tracked more than 8 million online diaries as of March 21, up from 100,000 just two years ago. A new blog is created every 7.4 seconds. That adds up to 12,000 new blogs a day, 275,000 posts a day and 10,800 updates an hour. "

http://www.news.com/The-future-of-blogging/2030-1069_3-5654288.html

Maybe truth still has a chance?


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on February 29, 2008 - 10:46pm.

McCain Keep Day Job? And be...

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McCain Keep Day Job?

And be President at the same time?

Seth Tillman posted this on the National Review's web site on Feb 28th. He is suggesting that the Constitutional incompatibility clause is wrong.

It's inevitable that a current Senator will become the President of the United States and have to give up his current day job.

Tillman explains to us why whoever becomes President shouldn't have to give up his Senate seat.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Zjk4ZTAzYjJkODY3OWJhZGFmNWY3MTY...


Submitted by Ponytail on March 1, 2008 - 6:58am.

Press Bias Star Tribune...

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Press Bias

Star Tribune prints AP article:

DALLAS - March 1, 2008- The founder of a prestigious institute on media and politics added his voice Saturday to the chorus of complaint over perceived press bias in favor of Democrat Barack Obama.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/16147342.html


Submitted by Ponytail on March 1, 2008 - 8:20pm.

MEDIA ELECTS...

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MEDIA ELECTS OBAMA

"Mainstream media have provided him [Obama] with a hospitable stage to spread his message. "

http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2008/02/obamas-populism...


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 1, 2008 - 9:02pm.

Comedy Central, SNL Giving...

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Comedy Central, SNL

Giving more positive media coverage to Hillary than major network news...an irony?

"Clinton is scheduled to appear on Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart” on Monday. "

http://www.foxnews.com/index.html


Submitted by Ponytail on March 2, 2008 - 10:20am.

The Fighter... Okay,...

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The Fighter...

Okay, here’s a perfectly honest question, when does the media stop calling the shots and the candidate start creating them? Well that’s just what happened.. in weeks…

In the month that followed Super Tuesday, the first female candidate running for the Presidency of the United States hasn’t had any MO, her ship was literally sinking fast and for lots of very good reasons, some of which can be attributed to her own campaign.

But, Obama’s HUGE MO, well, it JUST did half-of- a-nose dive. Now, it seems, the perception of MO is coming from Mrs. Clinton.

Some very well paid political protégés must have really put their act together, because Clinton is delivering the goods.

If you didn’t see her drinking a beer out of a plastic cup with the press onboard the Clinton express than you won’t understand what I’m talking about.

She just broke another taboo. And that's how women, especially women running for the office of President, have to be tea-drinkers, by sending out the message to all white male voters, who will determine the outcome of the race, that she’s one of them, sort of.

If you haven’t read Rush Limbaugh’s pleas to “Vote for Hillary tomorrow in Texas” in order to “Prolong the race on the Democratic side,” because “Clinton is more willing than the Republican National Committee and John McCain's campaign to criticize Barack Obama,” than you haven’t been paying attention.

It took Rush Limbaugh to get the point across, to articulate in public, though the meaning behind the words may not be what the GOP always figured, that running against Obama is much harder than running against a white woman, particularly Hillary Clinton.

Limbaugh said, "Wouldn't you love to cream Hillary though…why are you so afraid of her? Look at how ineptly she has campaigned against Obama," Limbaugh responded to one listener who said she wanted to see Clinton out of the race immediately."

Finally it’s out in print, though the real motives, are coming across under the radar. We’ve gotten such mixed message from Republicans, but it’s clear now that two of their most vocal and recognized party advocates want Hillary to remain in the race. Why? So, she can beat Obama up, give the GOP more time to put their own act together, pummel him in order for the GOP to have him specially delivered in pieces, fractured, so they can trounce on him in November? So, that’s what they do? You tell me, since when have Republicans had any difficulty trouncing on anyone, even the Clinton’s!
The GOP gets it, under the current media rules, they need all the help they can get to beat Obama.

Limbaugh said, "I'm asking people to cross over, and if they can stomach it and I know it's a difficult thing to do, vote for Clinton," he also told Ingraham Friday. "But it will sustain this soap opera, and it's something I think we need and it'll be fun, too."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Really fun!

If Republicans are having trouble criticizing Obama and Hillary is doing a better job of it and both Democrats are raising the roof on funding, the question is wouldn’t they have a hard time beating either of them in November?

The better question is why would Obama and his surrogates expect Hillary to get out of the race when it’s so close, and when the upcoming contests favor her?

And isn't it interesting that Hillary is the only one calling this an exciting race, while the Republicans are bickering amongst themselves about ideology and the Obama camp is scratching its head and wondering what happened in the last 7 days? (Obama forced into defense day before Super 2, Fox News.)

http://elections.foxnews.com/

What’s interesting about the monumental “shift” in strategy and tone from the Clinton camp is how the media is taking it.

Finally, finally and it took a lot of arm twisting to get some in the media to fess up:

Howard Kurtzk, in Media Notes, “Soft Press Sharpens its Focus on Obama, “ conveys an exchange between ABC’s Jake Tapper and Barack Obama, “But did the exchange mark the end of a long period in which the media have gone easy on the man who could all but clinch the Democratic nomination in tomorrow's primaries? Are the media going to change the environment that prompted Kristen Wiig, playing a CNN anchor on "Saturday Night Live," to declare that she and her colleagues "are in the tank for Obama"?

“The Illinois senator still hasn't faced the sort of negative onslaught that generally envelops presidential front-runners. But after a year of defying the laws of journalistic gravity, he is being brought back to earth.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/02/AR200803...

This all started to come down in tiny spurts on blogs, then a skit on a comedy show and then the opposing party recognized it for what it was and then, finally, the press reluctantly, reluctantly, prints the truth…

Kurtz’s article is very long, but it’s worth reading, because it makes up for the backlog of information about Obama that some of us never had the opportunity to see. While Hillary was receiving her usual, her opponent was having, let’s just say, “a nice walk in the park.”

“Clinton's complaints about media imbalance are buttressed by a new study from the Center for Media and Public Affairs. From Dec. 16 through Feb. 19, it says, the three network newscasts aired reports that were 84 percent positive for Obama and 53 percent positive for Clinton. She scored higher on evaluations of policy and public performance, but that amounted to only 10 percent of the coverage.”

It took much too long for the public and the media to GET IT: this extremely historic election had lessons I hope none of us will ever forget.

Fairness is something we have to fight for.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 3, 2008 - 10:08pm.

Utimate Irony "Why are you...

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Utimate Irony

"Why are you afraid of her?"

For Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove and Ann Coulter, the elite of the Republican politicalspeak to support Hillary, finally tells what we all were thinking to ourselves, they didn't want to run against Hillary. But, now that they see how difficult it's been running against Obama, they want to make sure that Hillary beats him, not beats him up. Do you believe it? It's a total irony.


Submitted by Ponytail on March 3, 2008 - 11:13pm.

Florida Recount 2008 It’s...

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Florida Recount 2008

It’s ironic that the King of the Caucus, the grass roots organizer par excellence, mined our nation’s prairies and suburbs nationwide for energized new growth, despite the obvious pitfalls, eliminating the elderly, the immobile, the working class, not his demographic?

An election thrown open to the vast hinterlands with a piece meal assortment of voting options, undemocratic, some say, lacking ethical voting requirements or equal protection, like the elections we ridicule in third world nations.

Yet, some are still enamored, perhaps for the result, not for the principles.

Op Ed columnist Gail Collins of the New York Times relays one story from the Texas primary minus the glitz of a win for one candidate, the ambivalence of a loss for the other: while caucus goers waited for more than two hours at one elementary school to open the doors and commence voting, there weren’t enough convention packets, there were lines, than there was the rule that no one takes charge until the event begins ….who decided these rules?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/opinion/06collins.html?_r=1&hp&oref=sl...

More piece meal voting may be in store to seat Florida and Michigan delegates and give voice to those states’ voters. Remember the recount of 2000? Is the underlying impetus for 2008, which no one is talking about, is that we learned votes must be counted? The irony is that these states broke the rules, but despite that, there are those who want the votes counted and those who do not. Imagine the audacity to want your vote to count?

CNN referred to Caucus rules as arcane in January, “The arcane rules governing Thursday's Iowa Democratic caucuses will test even the most organized campaign, but mastery of the process could launch a candidate on a path to the White House.”

“Supporters of candidates making up less than 15 percent of the vote in a particular precinct will have the option of making their vote count by voting in the second tally for a "viable" candidate --one who got at least 15 percent of the vote on the first tally. “

The ability of a candidate's supporters to use the persuasion period to win over second-choice voters could be a key factor deciding who comes out on top Thursday night.”

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/03/iowa.caucuses.101/index.html

A vote via coercion, not by individual choice, that sounds Democratic! Surviving this political jungle: as of today, no one has come out with a bestseller, how to...yet. And no one is talking about it either; it’s not reverberating, as it should be, over the airwaves or the internet; CNN seems to have forgotten all about it; and the Obama camp contends that their caucus wins carry more weight, but they’re not gung-ho about counting votes and seating Florida and Michigan delegate.

Two-thousand all over again?


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 7, 2008 - 6:40pm.

Souvenirs Anyone? Among...

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Souvenirs Anyone?

Among today's top-sellers, Florida Recount Buttons; Hillary Clinton Nutcracker with stainless thighs...

Ironic souvenirs!

http://www.politicalgifts.com/flormesbuton.html


Submitted by Ponytail on March 6, 2008 - 11:39pm.

REVOTE 2008 Mich/FL...

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REVOTE 2008

Mich/FL debacle: Which would you choose?

The New York Times gives its readers six options: "As readers, how do you think Michigan and Florida should be treated now? Here are a few possible solutions. We’d love to read your take on those as well as any other ideas you may have in the comments section below:

1. Seat all the delegates based on the January primary votes.
2. Each state should hold a do-over, or a revote. (Maybe they should hold Internet fundraisers to pay for this or receive partial payment from the national party.)
3. The D.N.C. should relent and seat half the delegates, as the Republicans did.
4. Deny Michigan and Florida delegates seats at the convention, letting the Democratic party ignore two of the most populous states.
5. Let these states’ delegates storm the doors of the convention in open revolt.
6. Let the superdelegates broker a deal.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/the-florida-michigan-moras...


Submitted by mpetrus on March 6, 2008 - 11:50pm.

Hillary Nutcracker Doll...

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Hillary Nutcracker Doll

Bomb Squad Removes Doll

Pretty Ironic. This was the same Hillary Nutcracker Doll you mentioned in a previous post, that's possibly sold by the same company. I guess we have to really look at where the negativism and hate is coming from...Since Hillary's wins this week, one of Obama's staff was fired for calling Hillary a "monster" and now this incident which had not been linked to Obama or his campaign at this point. This brings up a new discussion. You can't not link her wins with this public display of hatred.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/ireports/2008/03/07/irpt.meola.clinton....


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 7, 2008 - 2:06pm.

Next: "Old Miss" In...

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Next: "Old Miss"

In Mississippi they’re so polite they all recommend each other’s Blog responses whether they disagree with them or not.

And, to really get the Southern flavor, they actually blog in dialect, either that or the best home grown sense of political humor yet this election season!

In the Clarion Ledger.com one blogger named, “Cornbreadkiller” wrote, “I wonder if MS could mess up the dem. election and make Cliton and Obamayomama both lose.”

The press would make absolute hay of it!

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/NEWS/80...

Video of Clinton speaking at the Mississippi Democratic Party's annual Jefferson Jackson Hamer Day Dinner in Canton, MS

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/VIDEO/8...

Barack Obama’s page is at http://www.topix.net/who/barack-obama

And the Most Popular Content in ClarionLeger.com MS right now:

1.Glenn Beck: "Is Obama the Antichrist?" 857 comments
2. OPEC freezes output, sparks price rally 519 comments
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10. Confirmed: Patrick Swayze Has Cancer 44 comments

Mississippi residents will vote in presidential primaries March 11.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 7, 2008 - 10:38pm.

Dudes and Avalanches In...

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Dudes and Avalanches

In Wyoming, home to dudes and this breaking news, "the East Entrance of Yellowstone (Sylvan Pass) has accessibility and will be open for over snow travel throughout the winter season with closures expected periodically due to avalanche danger."

And in Laramie Wyoming, their newspaper, called the Boomerang, says Barack Obama is a superstar there.

“We’ll invest in you”
“With music echoing, Pistol Pete waving the giant flag, cameras flashing and 8,500 people on their feet, presidential candidate Barack Obama made a rock star entrance last night in Laramie. In fact, even the rock stars in the audience were cheering for him.”

“Clinton’s visit to Cheyenne, which began 45 minutes later than scheduled, occurred just before Wyoming’s 2008 Democratic Party Convention. Today, Wyoming’s 12 delegates will be awarded to Clinton or her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. “

"A line snaked its way around the Laramie County Community College gymnasium hours before Clinton was scheduled to speak, not unlike a crowd that waited hours to see her husband and former president Bill Clinton in Laramie Thursday."

http://www.laramieboomerang.com/

That’s it. That’s their home page and their news….

In the Planet Jackson Hole online, there’s an article on Wyoming Democrats going to caucus, with a reader comment entry from a Massachusetts resident who is a Clinton supporter.

“In the spirit of full disclosure, I am a Massachusetts resident and I am a Clinton supporter. Having said that, in my state I supported Gov. Patrick, whose ability to inspire prompted me to give inspiration over substance a chance. So far, one year later, inspiration is not translating into legislation. Nonetheless, at the level of state politics, the risk factor in making that choice was low. I do not believe that to be true at the level of national politics. As Wyoming considers the two candidates for the Democrat Nomination, it is my hope that you will support my candidate and support substance over inspiration. “
Northshorewoman

http://www.planetjh.com/politics/A_103122.aspx

The Wyoming Eagle out of Cheyenne reports their Governor has not endorsed either candidate. Bill, Hillary and Chelsea were all in Wyoming this week aand two Blog samples, the second one in response to the first:

"NOWAY HILLARY wrote on Mar 7, 2008 7:46 AM:
" I am a registered Republican and I will be voting Obama. I had enough of the Clintons in the 90's we DO NOT need round three with those two. Get realy Wyoming.....Hillary is a liar and a fake and people who support her have to be missing alot of brain cells. "

Born in Cheyenne wrote on Mar 7, 2008 7:40 AM:
" Home on the range. Where never is heard a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day. "

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2008/03/06/local_news_updates/19loca...

The Casper Journal features a homeless cat on the front page with a link to a very short snippet on the candidates. A comment from Cheryl in Michigan:

Cheryl Amaniera wrote on Mar 7, 2008 7:29 PM:
" Please run in letter to editor of comments page. ...

“When you go to vote tomorrow take one minute to appreciate what you are doing. I am from Michigan and this year my vote will not count. But why should that concern you in Wyoming? Because the next time it could be you. “

“ALthough the voters had no choice in the election date the democratic National Committee (DNC)has decided that they must be punished because their dates were moved. Although there is no DNC bylaw that supports ever taking away votes or delegates in punishment for violating a DNC rule - they have done it.” (see bylaws of DNC at democrats.org)

http://www.casperjournal.com/articles/2008/03/08/news/news030508a.txt

Again, we have another election that underscores how important our ability to vote and voice our opinion is and how voters across the country are using the Internet to whistle stop on behalf of their candidate.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 8, 2008 - 6:28am.

Worship Creator and...

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Worship Creator and Creation

The idea is if one Worships the Creator, one should take care of his Creation…

“Scientific unanimity should not preclude prudent action,” according to a 2008 contingency of Southern Baptists.

In the scheme of things, considering changes in scientific data, and interestingly the most ancient rite of earthly passage, that the earth is ours to care for while we are its occupants; yesterday’s opinions or facts are not today’s answers.

Despite the lack of a unanimous consensus, Southern Baptists have joined forces to “back a 2008 declaration calling for more action on climate change.”

Fourty-four Baptist leaders say it’s a significant change from a previously held position on global warming.

"The largest denomination in the United States after the Roman Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, with more than 16 million members, is politically and theologically conservative. "

Yet its current president, the Rev. Frank Page, signed the initiative, “A Southern Baptist Declaration on the Environment and Climate Change.” Two past presidents of the convention, the Rev. Jack Graham and the Rev. James Merritt, also signed."

“We believe our current denominational engagement with these issues has often been too timid, failing to produce a unified moral voice,” the church leaders wrote in their new declaration.

“While those younger Baptists remain committed to fight abortion, for instance, the environment is now a top priority, too.”

The declaration says "in fact that lack of scientific unanimity should not preclude “prudent action,” which includes changing individual habits and giving “serious consideration to responsible policies that effectively address” global warming. "

The declaration is the outgrowth of soul-searching by Mr. Merritt, a seminarian at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C. , who says that for years he had been “an enemy of the environment.” Then, he said, he had an epiphany. "

“I learned that God reveals himself through Scripture and in general through his creation, and when we destroy God’s creation, it’s similar to ripping pages from the Bible,” according to Mr. Merritt."

“Jonathan Merritt is the spokesman for the Southern Baptist Environment and Climate Initiative and a seminarian at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C. He said the declaration was a call to Christians to return to a biblical mandate to guard the world God created."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/us/10baptist.html?scp=2&sq=&st=nyt

We can not ignore the fact that the scientific community was ahead of popular opinion or opinions based on religious values and beliefs in relation to "Global Warming" and that in itself is an entire discussion, especially because it would seem that the religious community should have been the first to defend creation.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 10, 2008 - 3:24pm.

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Rolling Stones Gather No Hate?

And we thought Rolling Stone was just selling music. The March 20th issue of Rolling Stone has an article about Hillary Clinton, and you won’t find the article online. For the price of almost five bucks, you can read a rather scathing political obit on Hillary Clinton. Perhaps timed for Easter, because it shows her suspended on a cross nailed to wooden stacks with blood dripping down her feet and hands.

So this is where people under 30 form their opinions about political candidates.

The lead in starts out: “Feb 25th -T minus eight days till it’s the end of Hillary Rodham Clinton.” They must have been talking about March 4th. Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island which went for Hillary, so not the end.

Then a giant caption in the middle of the second page: Clinton became everything she professed to hate, attacking “Obama as not American enough for the job.”

It’s a given that Rolling Stone didn’t use a Fact-Checker when they wrote this article, because it’s not about facts, it’s about a pure unadulterated hate on that builds with such a high pitched vibrato, the pages pulsate when you read them.

“Put delicately,” the writer says, “Hillary Clinton poses certain linguistic problems for journalists.” This must be a counterpoint to Obama’s euphonizing rhetoric.

No, apparently it’s about having to sidestep any critique of Hillary’s choice of attire, such as not being able to refer to a particular jacket (Edwards comment); the writer said they could make any verbalization about any of the male candidates, as being bald, prune faced, you get the idea. No words here about how to verbalize Barack’s appearance.

From here it’s downhill all the way, the writer suggests that female supporters of Hillary are so used to being on the other side of a heavy hand, a male one, that Hillary’s derailment to a man, made her a martyr to all women. That’s where the cross comes in.

Then the writer says, “everyone who was ever denied a promotion for spending too much time with her children or who had to deal with the whispers of being called a unkind word, or an “ice queen,” when in fact, she was just being a boss, could see themselves in Hillary’s shoes, dying on the cross of likability.” Four letter words have been removed.

The writer says that Hillary’s “arms were wrapped around hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate donations, wearing a chastened conservativism and a reflexive, accusatory patriotism on what she thought was the road to the Presidency.” Ah, “accusatory patriotism,” this newly coined bit of jingoism is a play on the media questioning Michelle and Barack Obama’s patriotism.

If being scourged on the cross, as metaphor, for the death of her candidacy wasn’t bad enough the writer states, “To indulge in a sixties metaphor, she (Hillary) kept on (Four letter word here) Mrs. Robinson and chose the career in plastics.”

This is to suggest, that she is an old corporate lady of the evening (four letter word removed) and that people want something new, like Barack Obama.

The writer says there will be an ugly end to all of this; but in the beginning of the article they had already stated the end was eight days after Feb 25th. Which was not the end.

And finally the piece de resistance, the writer states, “And in such a charged atmosphere, what is one to do with observation that there seems to be a certain class of Hillary supporters—women, particularly professional women, who are somewhat older— who will be quick to blame Hillary’s run of electoral misfortune against Obama on the sexist attitude that a woman is not quite ready to be President.”

More phrasing turned on its factual face to mock Clinton’s assertion that Barack is not ready to be President.

At each major point of contention with Hillary, Hillary the woman, Hillary the Presidential contender, the bias is against Hillary’s gender. And though it’s clearly Hillary on the cross, Bill is not far behind.

The article was not written by a woman.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 15, 2008 - 10:23pm.

Reproductive Rights Some...

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Reproductive Rights

Some interesting facts from the American Prospect:

There are no exit poll statistics on pro-choice voters for Democrats. Should there be?

"Over 40 percent of Sunshine State GOP voters believe abortion should be legal, and McCain won more of their votes than any other candidate in the race. Those folks need a political reality check; McCain's opposition to Roe v. Wade is increasingly vociferous. "

"Only Republican exit polls ask voters if they identify as "evangelical.."

"Clinton and Obama have virtually indistinguishable platforms on reproductive health, despite Clinton's longer record advocating on the issue, and all the hang-wringing over Obama's "present" votes on abortion during his time in the Illinois State Senate. "

"The anti-choice website LifeNews was able to report that three-quarters of Louisiana Republicans oppose abortion rights. And as Huckabee carried Louisiana and Kansas, the media had the exit poll numbers to back up yet another round of stories about his support among social conservative voters. "

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=what_is_missing_from_democra...


Submitted by Ponytail on March 16, 2008 - 7:00pm.

Demographics If when you...

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Demographics

If when you vote for a candidates you're also voting for their stated position on core issues, it might uncomplicate the process. Caucuses are a terrible indication of who is voting for who or what.
Take for instance the demographic problem Obama has. Who will the working class, Aisian community and Latinos vote for if he runs in November? The article talks about him fighting for these groups more, but it would seem they are loyal to Clinton, so the article says.

There's going to be a lot of people who will be disenfranchised.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=obamas_demographic_problem


Submitted by mpetrus on March 16, 2008 - 7:12pm.

Power of Ohio Great source....

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Power of Ohio

Great source. Speaking about Demographics, here's what the article, "How Far will Democrats go" says about Ohio.

"But Ohio has a different power, and a real argument, beneath it. John McCain's Lazarus-like resurrection has gifted the Republicans a nominee who should prove powerful in the interior West, throwing into grave doubt any Democratic strategy that relies too heavily on the region. More worryingly for Obama, there's evidence that the demographics that Hillary carries, and that will probably decide states like Florida and Ohio, are not merely preferential toward Clinton but actively opposed to his nomination. This, then, is the worrying portent for Obama: Clinton's demonstrated strength in Ohio and her likely edge in Florida suggest that though most general election polls show Obama performing better against McCain, she may perform best where it matters. "
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=obamas_demographic_problem

Another indication of Obama desperately trying to make inroads into middle American culture is his 5 page spread in US mag titled, "He's just like Us."
I'd like to know if Obama solicited and paid for it?

What's amazing is the major media is not covering this.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 16, 2008 - 7:46pm.

Philly, not steak Phill.com...

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Philly, not steak

Phill.com has a very comprehensive and fair selection of options for voters to gain information and voice their opinions. Much more than we had here in MN with the Star Trib. MN coverage was very tilted according to what presence the candidates had in the state.

Take a look at Philly.com's quiz and see which candidate you really support, see how much you know about their positions.
I can just imagine how many people take the quiz and wind up pretty shocked, that in fact, they're supporting the wrong candidate!

That did not happen to me!!

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/multimedia/16474886.html


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 16, 2008 - 10:01pm.

Two Pastor Problem "But, if...

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Two Pastor Problem

"But, if Obama doesn't blast Farrakhan as an anti-white hate monger that could raise questioning eyebrows with many white voters.”

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=67827288

Is an election which includes a Black American inherently about race?

On Time.com, Larry Sabato, Director of the Center for Politics, University of Virginia wrote about the speech Obama gave, “Obama was performing his high-wire act, trying to appear black enough for the African-American community and post-racial enough for white voters.”

Susan B. Hansen, Professor, Department of Political Science, University of Pittsburgh wrote, “I'm afraid the dilemma for Obama is that the more he talks about race being unimportant or transcended, the more important it will become to the media and voters' perceptions. And even if he can move beyond it in PA and Hillary never mentions it, the Republicans and various shadowy 501(c)4 campaign groups will be hounding the issue and replaying those videos between now and November. I also question Obama's claim that on occasion most churchgoers "strongly disagree" with sermons by their priests/pastors. Those who do usually find another congregation — or replace the controversial minister!”

Suzanne M. Gold, Department of Political Science, The Pennsylvania State University, wrote, “While it may convince some, there will inevitably be people out there who will not be able to disentangle Obama's words from Rev. Wright's. The Internet is a powerful thing, and between Rev. Wright's words, the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan, and the picture of Obama in "Muslim-looking" apparel, there will be people all over the country, not just in Pennsylvania, that will see and hear those few things and run with them. No damage control can change those people's minds.”

Stephen Schneck, Professor of Political Science, Catholic University of America
Wrote, “It was Obama himself who depicted Reverend Wright as inspiring his candidacy. The "audacity of hope" was Wright's very language. To the extent that these snippets from Wright were seen to contradict Obama's "transcending" language then the emotional heart of his campaign is compromised.
The Philly speech was strong, but one wonders if it is enough. It's greatest moments were those conveying self-identity, conveying that he is a new era kind of American who will not subscribe to the old divisions. But, nothing in American politics is more divisive or more volatile than race: not political parties, not ideology, not abortion, not gun rights, not war and peace. Neither the candidate nor the Democratic party can be pleased to see today's Quinnipiac Pennsylvania poll showing sharpening African-American support for Obama and sharpening white support for Senator Clinton.”

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1723442-2,00.html

There are other comments more supportive of Obama’s speech. But, they didn’t capture the reality Schneck portrays which is corroborated by the latest Poll in PA, that the racial divide is growing.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 19, 2008 - 9:01am.

Was the race that wasn’t...

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Was the race that wasn’t about race always about race?

Obama’s support is overwhelmingly Black, and in the same vein white voters are supporting Hillary according to the latest Quinnipiac poll released March 18th: “the results also show a growing racial split among voters as Hillary Clinton's support among white voters grew, while Barak Obama's support among black voters grew.
White voters support Hillary Clinton 61 percent to 33 percent compared to 56 percent to 37 percent in the Feb. 27 poll.” That was before the speech, but it’s likely the disparity will only grow. Clinton has widened her lead among women likely Democratic primary voters and narrowed Obama's lead among men.”

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/03/poll_clinton_lead_in_...

Wasn’t Obama's speech an attempt to uphold his black support, while assuaging voters that this kind of hate speech is nothing more than the result of years of racism against Blacks?

Exactly what is “the change we can believe in?” Is it creating a coalition of voters based on understanding and accepting a hatred of whites? Does accepting hate speech represent “change.” Some say it’s an” honest and brutal speech”, a first.

But, one has to ask if the promise of a “new coalition,” based on unity is negated by Obama’s acceptance of hate speech? It’s hard to disavow a 20 year association, Michelle Obama’s comments, none of which indicate that race is not an issue. What Obama says he brought to caucuses, repair of the country's "divided and broken politics,” is a fallacy. Using the “sudden emergence of the African-American call-and response tradition in an overwhelmingly white state, where crowds tend to show approval with nods and applause, may be only the first of many disruptions Obama brings to the caucuses.”

Has this new coalition united us? Evidently not.

“Obama's sales pitch …..has been a tightly argued case that the main problem with politics is that it has become too politicized. The solution, he suggests, is "a new majority of not just Democrats, but independents and Republicans who've lost faith in their Washington leaders but want to believe again - who desperately want something new."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/03/obama_promises_to_...

It would appear the pretense of “unity” is cracking. What happened to the widespread acceptability that was the theme of the campaign?

One Associate Press writer suggested today that there is an arrogance equation to the speech and Obama.
“The freshman senator told reporters in July that he would overcome Hillary Rodham Clinton's lead in the polls because "to know me is to love me."
A few months later, he said, "Every place is Barack Obama country once Barack Obama's been there."
True, there's a certain amount of tongue-in-cheekiness to such remarks — almost as if Obama doesn't want to take his adoring crowds and political ascent too seriously. He was surely kidding when he told supporters in January that by the time he was done speaking "a light will shine down from somewhere."
"It will light upon you," he continued. "You will experience an epiphany. And you will say to yourself, I have to vote for Barack. I have to do it."
But both Obama and his wife, Michelle, ooze a sense of entitlement.”
“But voters expect arrogance from Clinton and her husband, Bill. It's part of the package. It's a 90s-thing. The Clintons' utter self-absorption comes with a record of achievement and brass-knuckle passion that Obama cannot match — and that Democratic voters know could come in handy against GOP nominee-in-waiting John McCain.
Voters won't cut Obama as much slack on the humility test because he's sold himself as something different. While rejecting the "me"-centric status quo and promising a new era of post-partisan reform, Obama has said the movement he has created is not about him; it's about what Americans can do together if their faith in government is restored. "
The power of his message lies in its humility. As he told 7,000 supporters at a rally last month, "I am an imperfect vessel for your hopes and dreams."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_campaignplus/20080317/ap_ca/on_deadline_arrog...

"Not everyone casting ballots for Clinton did so primarily to sink her; there were Republicans who wanted to keep Clinton in the race to expose more about Obama, whom he sees as more “fluff than substance.”

"Of the nine remaining major contests, four - Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Oregon, and South Dakota - have “closed” primaries, which means only Democrats can participate.”

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/17/7729/

Does this make his caucus wins irrelevant, because cross-over voting is not indicative of how the National vote would go?
The campaign of unity which dismisses politics as usual, created a new coalition which now demands an understanding and acceptance of hate speech as the result of how Blacks have been treated. Obama has said he wants to bridge divides based on differences. Has he succeeded?

Slate.com asks, “Can Obama's speech of so many words blot out the YouTube videos of his former pastor Jeremiah Wright saying "God ****** America"? It probably can't as a blunt political matter. Obama didn't answer Wright's rebuke with an equally hot riposte. The speech failed to address head-on Wright's damning of America or any of his other remarks about 9/11 or AIDS. Obama asked for points for political courage for not abandoning Wright, and he should get them. Abandonment would have been more expedient. White blue-collar men in Pennsylvania would have applauded shoving Wright over, and his rock-solid black supporters probably would have understood. But Obama's courage didn't extend to directly taking on the words that have caused such controversy. “

http://www.slate.com/id/2186849/

Obama's speech was intended to keep his black base and try to mollify the concerns of white voters, a next to impossible task.


Submitted by edenpprairiefac... on March 19, 2008 - 9:10am.

Top Two Primary Though it...

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Top Two Primary

Though it should be a major media headliner, only Fox News carried it.

On March 18, 2008 the Supreme Court ”voted 7-2 Tuesday to uphold Washington state's "Top Two" primary, which allows voters to select freely among political parties for various contests without pledging even temporary alle